Newcastle 1 Wolves 1 verdict thread

[Kenny]

Flip it around in the area and its Doc doing the shirt pulling(exactly as it was done on him) and we then score, 100% the goal would have been disallowed for a foul.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It’s a cast iron penalty.

 

[Tony Towner]

Flip it around in the area and its Doc doing the shirt pulling(exactly as it was done on him) and we then score, 100% the goal would have been disallowed for a foul.

Can't argue with that, but the unofficial bar has always been higher for defensive fouls. I look at Doherty's and Jota's missed headers as the reason we didn't win than the lack of a penalty

 

[PuntsWolf]

Flip it around in the area and its Doc doing the shirt pulling(exactly as it was done on him) and we then score, 100% the goal would have been disallowed for a foul.

I’m not saying by the letter of the law it’s not a penalty. Shirt pulling is technically a foul. But I’m not a fan of this sterile game football has become (I was only born in 1991 FFS, so haven’t even witnessed physical footballs ). Contact doesn’t equal foul, or he had a right to go down, or he gave the ref a decision to make.

Anyway. Doc doesn’t even appeal for it. He lays if off Just like he would without the shirt pull. I prefer it when a ref lets stuff go (regardless of where it is on the pitch). There’s nothing worse than a ref blowing up a foul everytime there’s a tussle, or everytime a striker and attacker jostle for ground under a high ball, or back in. That’s the game FFS, use your body, back in a little, give them a nudge.

There’s plenty of times a striker gives a defender a little nudge when he’s about to head It and it skews off somewhere. It’s a foul. Never gets given though. I want my defender to be stronger. I want them to give it back.

There’s plenty of times a defender is grabbing a striker as he’s trying to catch up with him and get alongside to win the ball. Never gets given unless the defender is directly behind and deliberately trying to get the foul given.

 

[Kenny]

Can't argue with that, but the unofficial bar has always been higher for defensive fouls. I look at Doherty's and Jota's missed headers as the reason we didn't win than the lack of a penalty

In no way am I blaming VAR for us not winning. We had enough clear chances (I think Jota's when he cut inside was easier than his header). Just raising the concerns with it. The Jota incident needed looking at or if it was we needed to know and the shirt pull is a foul. I can see why the ref thought not/missed it but the VAR should see it and point out the foul to the ref.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Completely disagree with all of the opinions in this post.
In the spirit of the new attitude towards posters, I won't call you a WUM.

Bizzare response. Not sure how you can argue with the facts.

 

[Norman Deeley]

I’ve been in touch with the FA to get the definitive ruling on pulling a Wolves player’s shirt in the box. Correct responses are as follows:
Shirt pulled like Sunday – “No, not enough in it…”
Shirt pulled so hard Wolves player can’t move – “Six of one, half a dozen of the other…”
Shirt pulled off so Wolves player is naked from waist up – “I’ve seen ’em given…”

 

[Walnut]

If his shirt was pulled, which it was then its a penalty 100%.

 

[Tony Towner]

If his shirt was pulled, which it was then its a penalty 100%.

That's just not reality though is it? And never has been. We used to joke on here about Berra giving penalties away for shirt pulling. Number he did for Wolves? 0

 

[PuntsWolf]

They gave a handful of penalties in the WC and we thought we’d turned a corner. Completely the opposite it’s back to how it was. The only thing that has stopped it to an extent is the increasing amount of teams going zonal.

 

[Dinowolf]

Bizzare response. Not sure how you can argue with the facts.

They are the facts as you see them, i.e. your opinion. I disagree with your opinions esp. about the assault on Jota, which I felt was bizzare.
Any contact with the head is dangerous and if deliberate or careless should be dealt with by a red card. The use of the elbow is illegal. It was a terrible challenge and the defender should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Walnut]

That's just not reality though is it? And never has been. We used to joke on here about Berra giving penalties away for shirt pulling. Number he did for Wolves? 0

The reality is if a pull on the shirt is a foul, then its a foul. You can't pick and choose when its a foul or not. If the law of the game states that pulling a shirt is a offence, that is it. End of story.

 

[Tony Towner]

They are the facts as you see them, i.e. your opinion. I disagree with your opinions esp. about the assault on Jota, which I felt was bizzare.
Any contact with the head is dangerous and if deliberate or careless should be dealt with by a red card. The use of the elbow is illegal. It was a terrible challenge and the defender should be ashamed of himself.

He doesn't raise his arm though and is 4.5 inches taller against a guy ducking his head

 

[PuntsWolf]

They are the facts as you see them, i.e. your opinion. I disagree with your opinions esp. about the assault on Jota, which I felt was bizzare.
Any contact with the head is dangerous and if deliberate or careless should be dealt with by a red card. The use of the elbow is illegal. It was a terrible challenge and the defender should be ashamed of himself.

So if I put my body in front of you and the ball to shepherd the ball out of play but your head it 5ft above the floor then I should be sent off?

If I go for header and crack you in the head with my forehead I should be sent off?

It’s not as black and white as elbow to the head. He went to body check him, his arm caught his head. Yellow card.

We were all sitting here defending Bolys swinging elbow at Perez last year. He swung and elbow and twatted him in the face. Red card, penalty, 3 match ban.

“No his eyes were on the ball”, “using his arms for leverage”, “accidental”.

Double standards. Take the road tinted specs off.

 

[Tony Towner]

The reality is if a pull on the shirt is a foul, then its a foul. You can't pick and choose when its a foul or not. If the law of the game states that pulling a shirt is a offence, that is it. End of story.

If laws of the game were as tightly interpreted as you want then you'd just have a game of constant set pieces.

 

[Walnut]

I know there are double standards regarding the laws of the game. All I want to see is consistency, which you don't get. If the law says its an offence to pull a shirt, then its should be foul.

 

[Dinowolf]

If laws of the game were as tightly interpreted as you want then you'd just have a game of constant set pieces.

It wasn't just his shirt he pulled, he grabbed his shoulder and arm to pull him backwards to the ground. Definite penalty, IMO.

 

[Dinowolf]

So if I put my body in front of you and the ball to shepherd the ball out of play but your head it 5ft above the floor then I should be sent off?

If I go for header and crack you in the head with my forehead I should be sent off?

It’s not as black and white as elbow to the head. He went to body check him, his arm caught his head. Yellow card.

We were all sitting here defending Bolys swinging elbow at Perez last year. He swung and elbow and twatted him in the face. Red card, penalty, 3 match ban.

“No his eyes were on the ball”, “using his arms for leverage”, “accidental”.

Double standards. Take the road tinted specs off.

We obviously have different views on what is classed as 'shepherding' the ball out of play. He hit him so hard on the head, he was out of it for some time.

We'll have to agree to disagree, Punts.

 

[Boozad]

Penalty all day long.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

OK argue about the degree and legality of a shirt pull, but as Dino says he also clearly pulled his shoulder and arm back, effectively pulling him over. Saying Doc should have backed into him when he was clearly going forward to try and reach the ball for an attempt on goal is just nonsense.