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[Lupollet]

Nobody knows enough here. If Jeff said "by the way, you report to Mendes to find out who you'll be bringing in next year", then you could argue it's on Jeff.

You're right though, it's probably on Beale. If he did just change his mind though, I don't understand the point of anger.. He's just a guy making a decision in his best interests.

I think really the problem here is that we've been caught out without a plan B twice in two weeks.

It’s NOT on Beale.

Jeff is responsible for our success (profitability actually, but the two are linked).

Jeff had a problem to resolve. He failed, and he looked like a big wobbly tit in the way he failed. We still have the problem and have decided that:

“When you are in the relegation zone, having a good manager isn’t important”

Nothing to do with Beale. If we thought he was good we should have offered him a deal that he couldn’t refuse. By definition we didn’t do that.

 

[thisisgil]

Nothing to do with Beale. If we thought he was good we should have offered him a deal that he couldn’t refuse. By definition we didn’t do that.

But Beale himself said he would only move to the "right" Premier League club. There are potentially limitless reasons as to why he may have decided Wolves weren't right. Up to and including Villa sending feelers out to see if he'd be interested in taking over there.

How do you force someone who doesn't want to manage your club to join - and if you somehow convince them to move despite their instincts, would they really do a good job?

 

[Wolf Hunting]

It’s NOT on Beale.

Well, the only bit that I'd move away from that is as soon as he'd heard that Wolves were in for him, he should have come straight out and said, I'm happy here and thanks, very flattering but I'm staying here, It's a good project, going well and I've only just started. Thanks but no more. Answer's 'No'".
But he didn't, he let it all wash over him for a week.
That's a bad look.

 

[prawnking]

So if Beale (supposedly) agreed a deal then went back on his word, shouldn't everyone be angry at him rather than poor old Jeffster?

I think they're both cunts, if that helps

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He had a match to prepare for and we hadn't even approached him. He had nothing to say.

 

[prawnking]

The embarrassing element is our interest goes super-public, the manager is someone who should be perfectly attainable and then we get rejected in an equally public manner with him and QPR doing a lovely smug video interview about it.

If you don't think the vast majority of this is on Jeff then you must just think he is just really unlucky all the time with his decision making. Up to you if you want to think that, but it's not a convincing viewpoint

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

For me its all on Shi. In bucket loads.

Supreme incompetence.

 

[AndyWolves]

You can't expect anyone to make the right decision every time.

The problem is that every wrong decision makes the next decision so much more important, and if we keep making the wrong decisions the end result is inevitable. And when the inevitable bad luck happens (injuries et) the impact becomes magnified.

We need to start making some right decisions, soon.

 

[Derby Wolf]

The embarrassing element is our interest goes super-public, the manager is someone who should be perfectly attainable and then we get rejected in an equally public manner with him and QPR doing a lovely smug video interview about it.

If you don't think the vast majority of this is on Jeff then you must just think he is just really unlucky all the time with his decision making. Up to you if you want to think that, but it's not a convincing viewpoint

I imagine the correlation of people who think this and thought poor old Boris Johnson was 'doing his best' or 'got the big calls right' is frightening!

 

[Johnny75]

Being an unlucky decision maker is not a good trait for a CEO.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Doesn't matter if Beale turns it down or why. People reject job offers all the time. And change their minds. The point is you have a plan for that happening. There were a number of acceptable candidates and I'd like to know why they were all thought inferior to Steve Davis.

 

[1986]

Doesn't matter if Beale turns it down or why. People reject job offers all the time. And change their minds. The point is you have a plan for that happening. There were a number of acceptable candidates and I'd like to know why they were all thought inferior to Steve Davis.

How do we know that they all wanted it ?
A lot of candidates do not want to manage a relegation threatened team .
Everything we all saw on a twitter feed or social media needs to be taken with a pinch of salt .
Being angry is easy , but it's not a policy one should ever follow .
Being rejected by our first two candidates does not mean that you move straight to number 3 on the list at the time .
Stopping and taking more time might well make a lot more sense when you factor in the upcoming break in the season . We need more names , more options , and they might be available in November or December but not now .

 

[Johnny75]

How do we know that they all wanted it ?
A lot of candidates do not want to manage a relegation threatened team .
Everything we all saw on a twitter feed or social media needs to be taken with a pinch of salt .
Being angry is easy , but it's not a policy one should ever follow .
Being rejected by our first two candidates does not mean that you move straight to number 3 on the list at the time .
Stopping and taking more time might well make a lot more sense when you factor in the upcoming break in the season . We need more names , more options , and they might be available in November or December but not now .

What a load of shite.

 

[Templeton Peck]

How do we know that they all wanted it ?
A lot of candidates do not want to manage a relegation threatened team .
Everything we all saw on a twitter feed or social media needs to be taken with a pinch of salt .
Being angry is easy , but it's not a policy one should ever follow .
Being rejected by our first two candidates does not mean that you move straight to number 3 on the list at the time .
Stopping and taking more time might well make a lot more sense when you factor in the upcoming break in the season . We need more names , more options , and they might be available in November or December but not now .

Well Martins talked to Hull ffs so I'm fairly certain he'd have been up for it.

 

[prawnking]

How do we know that they all wanted it ?
A lot of candidates do not want to manage a relegation threatened team .
Everything we all saw on a twitter feed or social media needs to be taken with a pinch of salt .
Being angry is easy , but it's not a policy one should ever follow .
Being rejected by our first two candidates does not mean that you move straight to number 3 on the list at the time .
Stopping and taking more time might well make a lot more sense when you factor in the upcoming break in the season . We need more names , more options , and they might be available in November or December but not now .

Some good points Jeff

 

[Johnny75]

Some good points Jeff

It's a load of condescending garbage without a single point made.

 

[prawnking]

A lot of candidates do not want to manage a relegation threatened team .

Over half the league is 'relegation threatened', we're hardly rock bottom and miles from safety.

Our chances of being genuinely relegation threatened after Xmas are massively increased by deciding to stick with an inadequate Davis/Sellars combo till then

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well, the only bit that I'd move away from that is as soon as he'd heard that Wolves were in for him, he should have come straight out and said, I'm happy here and thanks, very flattering but I'm staying here, It's a good project, going well and I've only just started. Thanks but no more. Answer's 'No'".
But he didn't, he let it all wash over him for a week.
That's a bad look.

There are a lot of reasons for turning down a job that you wouldn't know about until you had that discussion with the prospective employer. From the outside looking in, Beale going from middling Championship side, albeit in decent form, to a fairly solid Premier League side looks a no brainer.

Things like the Mendes link, the potential of a few bigger names leaving soon as contracts are winding down would all be obvious to the outsiders. Would be a decent amount of detail he could probably glean from colleagues and their connections in what's a fairly small pool of people in elite football, he'll know someone somewhere with some knowledge of Wolves.

You're never going to get a full feel of things until you're engaged in those final talks though. Maybe there's a few finer details come out that he doesn't like the sound of, hints of a club sale that maybe threatens his future or maybe he just doesn't click with Shi and thinks that wouldn't be a good working relationship.

Despite what most are claiming, there is absolutely no way you can sound someone out to the extent of absolute certainty they'll join until you're having first hand contact. We've seen it with a few players in recent years and now managers too, there's obviously something in the inner workings at Wolves which just doesn't sit right with some targets. Whether that be personnel or procedure, something is scaring people away from what should be a pretty enticing place to work.

 

[thisisgil]

Doesn't matter if Beale turns it down or why. People reject job offers all the time. And change their minds. The point is you have a plan for that happening. There were a number of acceptable candidates and I'd like to know why they were all thought inferior to Steve Davis.

This is where I'm at with it too. It's not Jeff's fault that Beale lead him on and then friendzoned him.

It is entirely Jeff's fault that he doesn't have a contingency plan though.

 

[HanDoJin]

Well he's clearly not if he's "very interested" in Veeela.

Also, with the exception of Marseille he has a pretty decent managerial record and if you believe the reports, the Marseille players loved him. He's hardly shit.

His record at Marseille was very good considering what a mess they were upon arrival. He’s an excellent coach and one I would have been very happy to see take charge at Wolves.