Molineux Extension

[NE66Wolf]

Yeah, it would need to be around i54, which is way to far out and would end up as some weird stoke style location.

TBF Stokes Ground is at a convenient location for travelling to by car/coach, the A50/A500 connects it to most parts of the City and to the M6, A34 South to Stafford or North to Newcastle. They also have a canal running by it ....

 

[Parkins left foot]

I'm currently surrounded by a bunch of transport consultants, they would claim otherwise..

I'm sure that they would - rather negates the purpose of them if not

 

[sycophantia]

I'm sure that they would - rather negates the purpose of them if not

Is there any purpose to consultants?....other than to state the bleeding obvious and take a big wad of cash for it

 

[Tredman]

Is there any purpose to consultants?....other than to state the bleeding obvious and take a big wad of cash for it

Someone has to the design work after everyone has been made redundant or retired.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

TBF Stokes Ground is at a convenient location for travelling to by car/coach, the A50/A500 connects it to most parts of the City and to the M6, A34 South to Stafford or North to Newcastle. They also have a canal running by it ....

Sod convenience. The great plus point to Molineux is the central location. We don't need to be in a retail park or industrial area by the M54. Bollocks to that. The footprint that Molineux is on is actually almost the same as both Old Trafford and the Emirates (bar the car parking) so we can EASILY extend to what we need without moving. Do it a stand at a time as groundshare is totally unfeasible. Either that or we hope Fosun can negotiate ASDA out of their spot and then do a new build a la Spurs (this I think is hugely unlikely - the ASDA makes a fucking mint for Walmart)

 

[PuntsWolf]

Just rebuild stage at a time. I’m sure there is a way to rebuild it with the least disruption. Whether that’s smash the steve bull down and get some temporary seating in their somewhere whilst they are building it. If the plan is to move the SB closer to the pitch then they could knock it down, move the pitch nearer the BW. Put some temporary seating in like Blackpool did (they chucked that stand up in months), and then build the real thing behind it. Then when it’s all done move the pitch back the other way to Make the space back for any future BW development.

Some engineer will tell me this isn’t doable I’m sure. But it makes sense in my head.

 

[NE66Wolf]

Sod convenience. The great plus point to Molineux is the central location. We don't need to be in a retail park or industrial area by the M54. Bollocks to that. The footprint that Molineux is on is actually almost the same as both Old Trafford and the Emirates (bar the car parking) so we can EASILY extend to what we need without moving. Do it a stand at a time as groundshare is totally unfeasible. Either that or we hope Fosun can negotiate ASDA out of their spot and then do a new build a la Spurs (this I think is hugely unlikely - the ASDA makes a fucking mint for Walmart)

I was only commenting on Stoke Stadium's location, not on the merits of moving our stadium. To nail my colours to the mast, I'd be gutted if we moved anywhere else.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Sod convenience. The great plus point to Molineux is the central location. We don't need to be in a retail park or industrial area by the M54. Bollocks to that. The footprint that Molineux is on is actually almost the same as both Old Trafford and the Emirates (bar the car parking) so we can EASILY extend to what we need without moving. Do it a stand at a time as groundshare is totally unfeasible. Either that or we hope Fosun can negotiate ASDA out of their spot and then do a new build a la Spurs (this I think is hugely unlikely - the ASDA makes a fucking mint for Walmart)

ASDA are very unlikely to want to move, but there should be enough land to build a suitably sized stadium anyway. Depends on how much parking is provided - doesn't need any more than for official purposes & corporate packages.

The current site is near enough for everyone else to park in town centre options

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

You could bin off the North Bank car park and build the edge of a new footprint right on Jack Hayward way, plus shifted slightly over to allow extra space for an extended Billy Wright without impacting on Waterloo road. The issues with that are -

a) you are committing to binning off a five year old stand

b) you have to make the "new North Bank" colossal as you can realistically only build a u of half of the ground before having to knock down the rest.

 

[PuntsWolf]

By just rebuilding the SB we can easily get capacity over 40k. We don’t need any grand “new stadiums”. Get that done and it facilitates a new south bank very easily to get Capsicty up to 50k. Any more than that will be excessive

 

[Law's Bus]

Whether that’s smash the steve bull down and get some temporary seating in their somewhere whilst they are building it. If the plan is to move the SB closer to the pitch then they could knock it down, move the pitch nearer the BW. Put some temporary seating in like Blackpool did (they chucked that stand up in months), and then build the real thing behind it. Then when it’s all done move the pitch back the other way to Make the space back for any future BW development.

So basically exactly what happened in the late 1970s when what is now the Steve Bull stand was built behind the Molineux Street Stand? In that case, it was literally a street behind, mind...

 

[PuntsWolf]

So basically exactly what happened in the late 1970s when what is now the Steve Bull stand was built behind the Molineux Street Stand? In that case, it was literally a street behind, mind...

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Exactly. There’s what c. 9000 seats in the SB there’s enough space between the stand and the pitch as it is to get a size a sizeable temp stand in similar to what they have at the rec in bath. Say that gives you 4 or 5k as a temp measure. That would be ideal to keep us going for however long it takes to get part of the new SB usable

 

[From Distant Shores]

In China, a construction firm took 19 days to built a 59-storey apartment block. How long would it take them to build a new stand?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

In China, a construction firm took 19 days to built a 59-storey apartment block. How long would it take them to build a new stand?

A lot longer.

 

[Johnny75]

Let's 3d print it, won't take long then.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Sod convenience. The great plus point to Molineux is the central location. We don't need to be in a retail park or industrial area by the M54. Bollocks to that. The footprint that Molineux is on is actually almost the same as both Old Trafford and the Emirates (bar the car parking) so we can EASILY extend to what we need without moving. Do it a stand at a time as groundshare is totally unfeasible. Either that or we hope Fosun can negotiate ASDA out of their spot and then do a new build a la Spurs (this I think is hugely unlikely - the ASDA makes a fucking mint for Walmart)

I worked at ASDA before I left Wolverhampton and don't think they'd be altogether against moving if they could secure the right site. They suffered a blow in that they can't expand the current site with a mezzanine level and can't expand backwards with North Road/Randall Lines and have already had to sacrifice a dedicated Click and Collect on the car park for the petrol station after they failed to bully the Goal Post. It'd take a lot for them to go but they've exhausted all avenues for expanding where they are and with competition as it is with supermarkets if they haven't already they'll soon hit capacity where the store simply won't be able go keep up without removing other services customers aren't ready to let go of.

 

[pr0sl0]

In China, a construction firm took 19 days to built a 59-storey apartment block. How long would it take them to build a new stand?

Sure, but of course you can always build quickly when you don't have to worry about builders being injured during work, you can seize land, and you can build low-quality structures with little prior planning going into their design.

(Though to play devil's advocate to my own point, "taking longer to do things properly" also only works as long as "properly" truly is superior, and the UK is, with a few exception, generally Not Great at infrastructure projects.)

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Sure, but of course you can always build quickly when you don't have to worry about builders being injured during work, you can seize land, and you can build low-quality structures with little prior planning going into their design.

(Though to play devil's advocate to my own point, "taking longer to do things properly" also only works as long as "properly" truly is superior, and the UK is, with a few exception, generally Not Great at infrastructure projects.)

Those two statements don't really correlate.

The ridiculous building in China that was originally cited went up that quickly entirely because there was a shed load of prior planning and design before things got to site. A lot of the new modular building techniques aren't really speeding up a project life cycle all that much, what they do for the most part is transfer a lot of the time into pre-construction activities and leave you with a lot less work to do on site but the time from conception to completion isn't all that different a lot of the time.

 

[Johnny75]

Those two statements don't really correlate.

The ridiculous building in China that was originally cited went up that quickly entirely because there was a shed load of prior planning and design before things got to site. A lot of the new modular building techniques aren't really speeding up a project life cycle all that much, what they do for the most part is transfer a lot of the time into pre-construction activities and leave you with a lot less work to do on site but the time from conception to completion isn't all that different a lot of the time.

So what you're saying is that Fosun could've done all of the planning behind the scenes and are just waiting for a late application nod from the council before they throw up the new South Bank inside a month.

Works for me.

 

[pr0sl0]

Those two statements don't really correlate.

The ridiculous building in China that was originally cited went up that quickly entirely because there was a shed load of prior planning and design before things got to site. A lot of the new modular building techniques aren't really speeding up a project life cycle all that much, what they do for the most part is transfer a lot of the time into pre-construction activities and leave you with a lot less work to do on site but the time from conception to completion isn't all that different a lot of the time.

Ehh, kinda. You get a hell of a lot of stuff built to duplicated plans over there (like a typical European or American volume house builder, but much more comprehensive and ambitious in scale), which is a big part of it as well. The stories of "this building went up in only x days" do elide that prior planning, but also often that it's the umpteenth copy of that building, and with every copy it's easier to shave time off total construction time.

This is all kind of beside the point for Molineux, mind, because we don't really know how ambitious Fosun want to be. Something generic, or iterating on Morgan's original design, will likely be easier and quicker to implement than something completely new, both in terms of planning and in terms of building schedule.