Man Utd FA Cup Thread

[Deutsch Wolf]

I never said you couldn't get players early in the window. I don't think there's a uniform rule on it, depends who you want and their individual circumstances.

Spurs went 18 months without signing an outfield player didn't they? Fair bit of catch up to make up there. Think they're in roughly the same position as us, except their main striker actually is injured rather than the whole fanbase wetting themselves about him maybe getting injured

I do disagree with Man Utd's brilliant January 2020 business as it happens (I fail to see how their 0 signings are better than our 0 signings), and this "Mendes" stuff has to end. For now we've exhausted that avenue IMO. We aren't big enough to get his top end non-Ronaldo clients, we've had the leg up from the Championship without which we probably wouldn't have gone up.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

And as it happens i didn't say United had done brilliant business, please, please stop putting words in my mouth. I simply named them as one of the clubs that have (or are about to imminently) done business as United are supposedly on the brink of the Bruno Fernandes signing - it may fall through of course, but as far as we know it will be announced soon.

The quality of the teams signings is irrelevant, just people saying that it is near impossible is not accurate, it clearly is possible, thus why i wrote a quick list.

As for Mendes, you're probably right, but he IS there as a resource to us, are there any other clubs that have owners with a stake in Gestifute?

Your reasoning as to why Spurs HAVE made a signing is exactly the same as my reasons asking for why we haven't.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Eh, we're counting players who haven't even signed on 16th January as examples of how you get business done early?

Spurs have been in the Champions League for how many years in a row now? Made the final last season, arguably the best ground in Europe now with one of the most decorated managers in history, London factor in their favour....and even they so far have managed a loan for a relatively low key midfielder (as in unlikely to be a gamechanger on his own, he's literally never scored a single league goal in his entire career) who had fallen out with his manager, that's it. Think you'll find their fans think they need more than that.

Liverpool are the best team in the world at the moment, European and World Club Cup champions, going to win the Premier League...one lowish key attacking midfielder who'll hardly play over the course of the last three windows.

I want us to sign players but people are being wildly optimistic about what we can do. And as if our lot would be sated if we'd signed one player.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This is a good view of last night's game https://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-wolves-fa-cup-opinion

excellent article

 

[BGreenWolf]

The quality of the teams signings is irrelevant, just people saying that it is near impossible is not accurate, it clearly is possible, thus why i wrote a quick list.

I don't think anyone's saying that early signings are impossible- we could have dredged the lower leagues on day one and thrown money at any number of no-hopers just to fill shirts.

We don't have the clout or cash to force signings we'd actually benefit from that early, though.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Eh, we're counting players who haven't even signed on 16th January as examples of how you get business done early?

Oh, does this mean that the 16th of January isn't considered as early in the window anymore then?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don't think anyone's saying that early signings are impossible- we could have dredged the lower leagues on day one and thrown money at any number of no-hopers just to fill shirts.

We don't have the clout or cash to force signings we'd actually benefit from that early, though.

We don't have the cash?

 

[Johnny75]

I don't think anyone's saying that early signings are impossible- we could have dredged the lower leagues on day one and thrown money at any number of no-hopers just to fill shirts.

We don't have the clout or cash to force signings we'd actually benefit from that early, though.

I think this is rubbish. There's plenty of clout and cash coming to the PL.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Oh, does this mean that the 16th of January isn't considered as early in the window anymore then?

1) It's over halfway through, so by definition no

2) They haven't signed him!

3) People are moaning that we haven't already bought players right now, so again, by definition even if we signed players tomorrow (we won't), they'll be "overdue"

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

1) It's over halfway through, so by definition no

2) They haven't signed him!

3) People are moaning that we haven't already bought players right now, so again, by definition even if we signed players tomorrow (we won't), they'll be "overdue"

So at what point are people "allowed" to be raising their eyebrows at our lack of activity? Given that apparently the 1st-16th is still deemed too early (and us having games during that period where we would have benefited from the addition?)

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I haven't told anyone what to do.

I'm just saying United are in the same boat as us, they have obvious needs (in fact in terms of first XI, more glaring ones than us), they have bought no-one, anyone they sign won't play this weekend so at best they'll play a couple of games this month, more likely you're waiting until next month until they do anything. They don't belong in the bracket of "acted early" because they haven't.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

i don't think a lack of new signings is our major problem.
i think Docherty is half the player he was last season and Raul, fucked or not just isn't hitting the sprout bag with any kind of accuracy.
as for new players it's January, where's the surprise.
We haven't signed anyone or too many games is bollocks, humans are infallible as is being proved, look at Man Utd.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Man Utd are above us and still in the cup, it's fashionable to slag them off, but they aren't ***THAT*** bad.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

What was Neves talking to the ref about right at the end yesterday?

Also Saiss and Ruddy were having a passionate conversation as they left the pitch too.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I'd say it's quite hard for us (in our current position as a club) to improve on our first XI. Not impossible, but difficult. We should have more options in the squad but the best team we can put out when everyone is fit is really good.

Manchester United should not be having Fred and/or Scott McTominay as first choice central midfielders! And Ashley Young has played nearly 100 games for them over the last two and a half seasons at full back, that is not acceptable.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Very difficult to say how they would turn out, as there is an element of a gamble in every signing.

But the list of potential signings i put on the other thread would improve us at varying levels.

Whilst of course i don't want us to over spend on wages and fees, or accept players fucking us over at the last minute (as perhaps Locadia and Zinchenko did) there has to be an element of stretching to get what we need at this stage now, it does feel as though we may have played it a little too safe in the summer, will we do that again?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Zinchenko didn't fuck us over. He decided he wanted to stay and fight for his place, and therefore won medals for a treble.

 

[lemonjelly]

This is a good view of last night's game https://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-wolves-fa-cup-opinion

excellent article

don't think it's that good an article tbh.

So that’s the point: they get in their own way. They have these little lapses which let them down, which leave them just short of what they should be.

What that breeds, in these big games which come with pressure, is the assumption that, somehow, their superiority won’t be enough. That they’ll be able to play all the football, create all the chances, and still lose to some cheap little goal which arrives virtually from nowhere.

erm, has any other team beaten the reigning champions twice this season? did we not, only 3 weeks ago, play a big game on 27/12, and win 3-2? & deservedly so?

we were the better team, created better openings, and utd got lucky. That article in the main confirms that. the writers other opinions are way off.

 

[lemonjelly]

Another positive - the 3 very different corner routines. clearly we're working on other interesting tactical stuff a lot.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Neves was proper annoyed he didn't score with the one pulled back to the edge of the box. Romero's not sniffing it if it's on target.