Live Match Discussion: 2020/21

[jd1981]

Problem with RH he’s remembered more for what happened in his biggest jobs England, Liverpool and Inter.
Operates far better when expectations are lower ie Switzerland, Fulham, Albion and Palace.

 

[jd1981]

It's just the mental side of it I would be concerned about if I were a Blades fan. We've seen first hand what it can do to otherwise capable players when they've had a year of losing nearly every week.

You can see it in the lad Kaban that Liverpool have signed off Schalke. They went nearly an entire year without a win. He might genuinely be shite (I haven't seen that much of him) but he looks a total rabbit in the headlights and I can understand why. Now apply that to an entire squad, plus a load of them have been there for years now without much freshening up, all while listening to the same manager.

Defeat will now be ingrained into every fabric of the club, such an easy habit to carry on after relegation.
Just a distinct lack of quality at this level in the side,

 

[big mean bunny]

They look to always be working hard and following the plan though, completely different to a side like us when we got relegated. They create chances but they don't create enough high quality ones, however I think the team they have will get goals at the lower level.

Brewster might even play then.

 

[Tony Towner]

Defeat will now be ingrained into every fabric of the club, such an easy habit to carry on after relegation.
Just a distinct lack of quality at this level in the side,

Norwich went down with 21 points, a goal difference of -49, losing their last 11 games...currently 10 points clear of 3rd. They kept their manager as will Sheff Utd.

 

[jd1981]

Norwich went down with 21 points, a goal difference of -49, losing their last 11 games...currently 10 points clear of 3rd. They kept their manager as will Sheff Utd.

Conversley I’ll give you a list of clubs relegated badly who didn’t bounce back in the last years and had poor seasons the next.

Derby 07/08 following season came 18th
Wolves 11/12 Following season 23rd
Villa 15/16 following season 12th
Sunderland 16/17 Following season 24th
Huddersfield 18/19 following season 18th

In fact since the PL started only 8 teams finishing bottom have gone straight back up in 26 seasons. Only 1 has occurred since 2010.

 

[Tony Towner]

All those clubs went down in a state of disarray and sacked at least one and sometimes 2 managers during or after the season. If they had any decent players then they lost them. If you look at Wolves as an example I'm sure you could list half a dozen reasons why we went down again that were more than just a losing mentality. In fact we started that next season well, 19 points from the first 30.

Sheff Utd, will keep Wilder and bar Lundstrum pretty much any player he wants. There aren't facts to debate only opinion, but with a settled infrastructure mine is that they'll be Top 6 as an absolute minimum. If Wilder were to walk/be sacked that would change, but it doesn't look like that will happen

 

[YoungWolf]

Wilder is a very good coach tbf (even if he does seem like a bit of a weirdo). That squad just got a bit further than expected in the first place. Seasons like this can be very damaging and anything can happen but if they stick to their 'plan' like Norwich did, as TT says I think they will be OK.

 

[jd1981]

All those clubs went down in a state of disarray and sacked at least one and sometimes 2 managers during or after the season. If they had any decent players then they lost them. If you look at Wolves as an example I'm sure you could list half a dozen reasons why we went down again that were more than just a losing mentality. In fact we started that next season well, 19 points from the first 30.

Sheff Utd, will keep Wilder and bar Lundstrum pretty much any player he wants. There aren't facts to debate only opinion, but with a settled infrastructure mine is that they'll be Top 6 as an absolute minimum. If Wilder were to walk/be sacked that would change, but it doesn't look like that will happen

Id say going down the way they’re is a state of dissarray plus keeping the manager who’s overseen that isn’t a guaranteed recipe for success next season. They won’t drop further but I don’t think they’ll bounce straight back either. If they go and pick up some good results between now and the end of the season and finish with more than 20 points then it could lift confidence going into next season. If the current form continues it’ll only be damaging.
They’ll need to freshen up the squad with some players who’ve not been scarred by what’s happening now.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I don't think Sheff Utd are generally that much worse than they were last season are they? Whenever I've seen them this year they still seem fairly competitive in most games but where they came out on top with fine margins last year they're usually on the wrong side of them this year.

They never had any right getting promoted to begin with given the squad they had available, it's largely garbage, to then get the season they had last season following promotion was unbelievable really, it was never going to be a realistic benchmark for them to replicate unless they made huge changes to playing staff but they don't seem capable of attracting the required personnel.

Losing Henderson along with the injuries they've had to their first choice backline has mean they're not as solid at the back as they were last season and their forwards have reverted back to their true standard, not that they really excelled beyond it all that much last season either. So where they were maybe sneaking a game 1-0 last season they're probably being edged out 0-1 this time around.

As long as the players aren't getting too dispirited by the current results and still have faith in the way Wilder is setting them up then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't perform much more strongly when the difference in quality of playing staff won't be so big between them and their opponents. Brewster and McBurnie have both scored goals at that level before so they might be enough to see them return to winning ways in the Championship, Burke too could be a big threat in that division.

 

[sycophantia]

The little bits of them I've seen this season, their main problem is the quality of their strikers. McBurnie looks lower Champ level at best to me, McGoldrick also is average. Whats happened to the kid they signed from Liverpool....injured? He's surely not worse than the dross they keep playing.

 

[The Bear]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1366526426523045894

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

That is top class by McGoldrick. Great pass and then gets on the end of it.

 

[Kenny]

Leicester's leveller at Burnley is a great finish but not sure where Pope was going though

 

[Jack Regan]

Awful decision to send Jagielka off, defender is easily going to get across and make it difficult for El-Ghazi to score. Never an obvious error in a million years.

 

[Tony Towner]

Awful decision to send Jagielka off, defender is easily going to get across and make it difficult for El-Ghazi to score. Never an obvious error in a million years.

I don't subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories re refs being bent or deliberately favouring larger sides. I do think there's some unconscious bias towards the obvious teams, but that's always been the case, who knows maybe Wolves benefitted in the 50's. What VAR has proven without doubt is the general level of incompetence even when given the opportunity on a number of occasions. Another decision which was correct on the field amended afterwards. Other than fixing howlers it creates them

 

[PuntsWolf]

I struggle to see how it’s not a red tbh. We’d be raging if it wasn’t given.

 

[big mean bunny]

Not through any sort of local rivalry nonsense, as I don't subscribe to that, but it would be nice for West Brom to finish bottom, just for Sam to end his record and there not be any "well it was always going to be difficult" weasel comments.

 

[Tony Towner]

Not through any sort of local rivalry nonsense, as I don't subscribe to that, but it would be nice for West Brom to finish bottom, just for Sam to end his record and there not be any "well it was always going to be difficult" weasel comments.

He'll resign a couple of games before they go down

 

[PuntsWolf]

He'll resign a couple of games before they go down

I thought this but my Albion mate says he wants to stay on next year. He knows it’s his last job I guess so he either carries on or accepts retirement.

 

[Tony Towner]

I thought this but my Albion mate says he wants to stay on next year. He knows it’s his last job I guess so he either carries on or accepts retirement.

Perhaps, the PL relegated sides will have an even larger budget discrepency the year after the pandemic versus the rest I'd have thought. I just can't see his ego taking it.