Live Match Discussion 2018/19

[YoungWolf]

Yeah I honestly did! Turns his back and his arm is out too much for me

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Goal Alex Telles. 3-1

 

[Tony Towner]

Ok, opinions and all that. Not for me.

 

[YoungWolf]

Ok, opinions and all that. Not for me.

Fair enough

Can't be denied that was a good use of VAR just now though surely..

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Fair enough

Can't be denied that was a good use of VAR just now though surely..

Spot on really.

What on earth Florenzi is thinking though, I cannot say. Unless your man at the back stick is 11 foot tall, he is never going to reach that ball at that pace.

 

[slink]

Yeah I honestly did! Turns his back and his arm is out too much for me

Come on you can't believe that. Turns his back and his arm is exactly where it was when he turned. Listen to Rio after the game and what he said about body position etc... Never been a penalty and never should be a penalty.

 

[YoungWolf]

Come on you can't believe that. Turns his back and his arm is exactly where it was when he turned. Listen to Rio after the game and what he said about body position etc... Never been a penalty and never should be a penalty.

He's an idiot for turning his back. Anything could happen once you did that and his arm swings round and is slightly out. Maybe harsh and I can understand why people may disagree but a pen for me

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He's an idiot for turning his back. Anything could happen once you did that and his arm swings round and is slightly out. Maybe harsh and I can understand why people may disagree but a pen for me

It's the new directive, isn't it. If you make your body bigger than the natural "silhouette" and it hits your hand/arm, you're fair game.

 

[Tony Towner]

My issue is, he gives that in real time then it's a dodgy decision, but that happens. Watch it and then give it, I'm not sure where the game goes from that.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ajax
Tottenham
Man Utd
Porto

Pretty sure they would all have been the outsiders in those ties when the draw was made?

 

[slink]

He's an idiot for turning his back. Anything could happen once you did that and his arm swings round and is slightly out. Maybe harsh and I can understand why people may disagree but a pen for me

99.99% of the time a defender turns his back in that situation as it's human nature to protect the front of your body. So the handball is not deliberate and his hand isn't in an unnatural position as that's what happens when you jump and turn to block. It's very harsh and if it's a penalty by the laws of the game which i don't think it is although the ex ref on BT said it was then the laws are wrong. Just to clarify on that i don't think the referees know what the laws of the game are when it comes to hand ball. That decision goes against Wolves and i'm fuming.

 

[slink]

It's the new directive, isn't it. If you make your body bigger than the natural "silhouette" and it hits your hand/arm, you're fair game.

That's bollocks though isn't it. Making things that could be so easy with VAR become very difficult by including unnecessary words and bullshit like natural silhouette. Stick to what the law should be, deliberate or unnatural position and you get less crazy decisions and everyone understands it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

99.99% of the time a defender turns his back in that situation as it's human nature to protect the front of your body. So the handball is not deliberate and his hand isn't in an unnatural position as that's what happens when you jump and turn to block. It's very harsh and if it's a penalty by the laws of the game which i don't think it is although the ex ref on BT said it was then the laws are wrong. Just to clarify on that i don't think the referees know what the laws of the game are when it comes to hand ball. That decision goes against Wolves and i'm fuming.

I think you have to go case by case.

Do you think it was a pen against Doc at Bristol City? I would say yes. But he hasn't really thrust his arms anywhere, I'm pretty sure he's not meant to handle it either and the ball was struck from fairly close to him.

You have your obvious volleyball acts like we had against us vs Brighton and Fulham and they should always be given. I think anything else - if you put yourself in that kind of position, you're the one taking the risk. You might get away with it, you might not.

What I would say tonight is that no United players appealed for the pen. They all just went to set up for the corner.

That's bollocks though isn't it. Making things that could be so easy with VAR become very difficult by including unnecessary words and bullshit like natural silhouette. Stick to what the law should be, deliberate or unnatural position and you get less crazy decisions and everyone understands it.

Not saying I agree chief, that's just where they are.

 

[YoungWolf]

I think you have to go case by case.

Do you think it was a pen against Doc at Bristol City? I would say yes. But he hasn't really thrust his arms anywhere, I'm pretty sure he's not meant to handle it either and the ball was struck from fairly close to him.

You have your obvious volleyball acts like we had against us vs Brighton and Fulham and they should always be given. I think anything else - if you put yourself in that kind of position, you're the one taking the risk. You might get away with it, you might not.

What I would say tonight is that no United players appealed for the pen. They all just went to set up for the corner.



Not saying I agree chief, that's just where they are.

Dalot did!

I agree with pretty much most of what you have said there though.

 

[PuntsWolf]

99.99% of the time a defender turns his back in that situation as it's human nature to protect the front of your body. So the handball is not deliberate and his hand isn't in an unnatural position as that's what happens when you jump and turn to block. It's very harsh and if it's a penalty by the laws of the game which i don't think it is although the ex ref on BT said it was then the laws are wrong. Just to clarify on that i don't think the referees know what the laws of the game are when it comes to hand ball. That decision goes against Wolves and i'm fuming.

I’ve never played anything above Sunday league but I certainly wouldn’t be turning my back. So am I the 0.01%?

Face I will possibly give you but not your whole body 180 degrees. Especially when it’s not point blank, there’s a good 6 yard distance.

Edit- I am not at all saying it’s a pen, but you Should not he turning your back like that. And because he does I have no sympathy.

 

[BillyDee]

Only seen the replay a couple of times, and slo-mo can exaggerate things, but it seems he had a good look before turning away and his arm is still out there... Not a fan of VAR, but turning your back and not looking does not take away intent from the defender.

 

[slink]

I think you have to go case by case.

Do you think it was a pen against Doc at Bristol City? I would say yes. But he hasn't really thrust his arms anywhere, I'm pretty sure he's not meant to handle it either and the ball was struck from fairly close to him.

You have your obvious volleyball acts like we had against us vs Brighton and Fulham and they should always be given. I think anything else - if you put yourself in that kind of position, you're the one taking the risk. You might get away with it, you might not.

What I would say tonight is that no United players appealed for the pen. They all just went to set up for the corner.



Not saying I agree chief, that's just where they are.

I think it was a penalty against Doc yeah at Bristol. His arm was in an unnatural position for me, sticking it out in a position that it shouldn't have been in.

I know that's where we are but still maintain it's nonsense. Just a case of them making things difficult for themselves and everyone else when it comes to interpreting the laws.

 

[slink]

I’ve never played anything above Sunday league but I certainly wouldn’t be turning my back. So am I the 0.01%?

Face I will possibly give you but not your whole body 180 degrees. Especially when it’s not point blank, there’s a good 6 yard distance.

Yeah. He's maybe turned more than most would be how many times do you see a defender turn away from the shot and it hit them. It happens numerous times a game.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah. He's maybe turned more than most would be how many times do you see a defender turn away from the shot and it hit them. It happens numerous times a game.

We got one given against us last season...Vinagre vs Bristol at home. Wasn't even looking when it hit him.

 

[slink]

We got one given against us last season...Vinagre vs Bristol at home. Wasn't even looking when it hit him.

Yeah, dreadful decision. Human nature means you turn away to varying degrees but most do turn away. I've just watched the Kimpembe one again and if you slow it right down his arm isn't even away from his body. Rio said it perfectly after the game and better than i can on here, his arm is exactly where it should be when blocking the ball as he is and there's no law that says he can't block the ball like that. It's great for Utd and possibly us and PSg deserved to lose because they didn't do enough for me but still shouldn't have been a pen and never should be imo.