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LIVE! Match discussion 2014/15

We really, really miss Stones at the back. He's seriously good for his age.

He'll be replacing Moore for the Italy game thank God. Gives us a much better chance - but Southgate needs to be positive and go with two up top along with Loftus-Cheek in the middle (IMO).
 
Centre halves a general issue. Moore couldn't get into a Championship on loan this year. Stones back for the next game should make a big difference
 
I haven't watched any of it to be honest but last week the sports media were talking about England winning it, all reminiscent of 2002 and the senior side.
Still a win will probably see them progress.

Don't think anyone tipped us to win in 2002. 2006 maybe (we had a talented enough squad anyway)
 
Don't think anyone tipped us to win in 2002. 2006 maybe (we had a talented enough squad anyway)

You'd be right Dan, I just remember the Media saying it was time for England followed by the usual anticlimax.
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David James and Owen Hargreaves are fucking awful by the way in the studio, just as bad as our play.
 
You'd be right Dan, I just remember the Media saying it was time for England followed by the usual anticlimax.
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We all know the media in this country like to build people up and knock them down as soon as they fail to meet their exacting standards. The thing is with some canny management we really could have won that tournament.

Neville-Ferdinand-Terry-Cole was the best defence in the world in international football by some distance, all of them nailed on starters for clubs making serious annual impacts on the Champions League. Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard all available, the latter two near their peak, Becks still playing regularly for Real Madrid. Hargreaves in the squad, regular for Bayern. You just needed to find a system that wasn't 4-4-2. Ok, we got unlucky with Rooney and Owen being injured in the run up to the tournament but had we not wasted a pick on 17 year old Walcott we could have got away with it. It wasn't a tournament of great quality, Germany were still very much in development, Italy were not vintage winners, Portugal performed no better than us, France spluttered their way along, carried by Zidane in his last hurrah and were very beatable. Sven messed it up I'm afraid, and I say that as someone sympathetic to his time in charge.
 
We all know the media in this country like to build people up and knock them down as soon as they fail to meet their exacting standards. The thing is with some canny management we really could have won that tournament.

Neville-Ferdinand-Terry-Cole was the best defence in the world in international football by some distance, all of them nailed on starters for clubs making serious annual impacts on the Champions League. Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard all available, the latter two near their peak, Becks still playing regularly for Real Madrid. Hargreaves in the squad, regular for Bayern. You just needed to find a system that wasn't 4-4-2. Ok, we got unlucky with Rooney and Owen being injured in the run up to the tournament but had we not wasted a pick on 17 year old Walcott we could have got away with it. It wasn't a tournament of great quality, Germany were still very much in development, Italy were not vintage winners, Portugal performed no better than us, France spluttered their way along, carried by Zidane in his last hurrah and were very beatable. Sven messed it up I'm afraid, and I say that as someone sympathetic to his time in charge.

That is an incredible list; Neville, Cole, Ferdinand, Campbell, Terry, Carragher, even Bridge wasn't awful yet IIRC.

Some really insane lineups in that World Cup, looking through them. How Argentina didn't win it I may never know. Messi, Palacio, Tevez, Crespo, Aimar, Lucho, fucking Riquelme, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Milito, Heinze, Burdisso, Sorin... what a squad.
 
That was a World Cup that we should definitely have won, the euros in 2004 too (had a Rooney not got injured I think we would have too).
 
That World Cup was one that told me where my club vs country loyalties lie. I was on holiday in Italy where I watched the Portugal game and our inevitable penalty shoot out defeat and was gutted for about 30 mins. Then my mate texted me to say Hoddle had fucked off and the day became a great one
 
They say the things you remember most are happy occasions and sad ones, i had a dog in those days and took him a walk at half-time, my neighbour opened her window as i was returning to tell me that Hoddle had gone.
Happy occasion indeed.
 
Pritchard out of the U21 tournament.

As for Hoddle, Kenny of this parish texted me the news 10 minutes before the England game started. We were united that a) he was a cowardly piece of shit to time the resignation then, plus the damage it had done to our pre-season and b) we wanted Mick to take over.
 
I was sat in the blazing sun in the garden waiting for England v Portugal to start when I received the news. I was pleased but he tried to leave us right in the shit. Luckily Mick rode in to rescue us. It baffles me that some Wolves fans hate Mick and show him similar contempt as they do Hoddle
 
I love Mick and what he did for our club. He was an outstanding manager for us.
 
Indeed. He lived and breathed the club and took us up as champions then kept us there for a couple of seasons. No other Wolves manager of recent times has achieved that
 
Not saying I dislike Mick but he started our slide to League One.
 
No, he started (and in my view would have finished) our slide to the Championship. Morgan through gross mismanagement was responsible for the second half.

Mick was a good Wolves manager if you take a helicopter view (one for the business speak thread!) over his entire period as manager. Personally I felt he should have gone after the Swansea home game in his final season, but I don't get the "Thick Mick" bile bordering on hatred some elsewhere have for him.
 
Ironically a lot of those who call him thick Mick display very little intelligence or aptitude in life especially compared to Mick who has done rather well for himself
 
Morgan learned a hell of a lot during that debacle, from the stupid changing room interventions, through the appointment of 'TC' to the whole Dean Saunders thing.

I agree with most that the sacking of Mick was at least 6mths too late, i liked him long before he was Manager of Wolves, loved him when he was Manager and still like him now but i never think about him with regards to Wolves anymore.
 
Mick's sacking was the first time I have been genuinely sad to see a manager go. It was inevitable, and his position was becoming untenable but I was still gutted while I was watching him being interviewed in his car as he left the training ground after saying his farewells. He was frustrating as hell at times but I'm still a huge MM fan. He gave me some of my best Wolves memories.
 
England get exactly what they deserve from the opening 25 mins. 1-0 Italy.

EDIT: 2-0. God that's shite.
 
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