LIVE! Match discussion 2014/15

[FrankMunro-371]

Its true though isnt it. They stuffed Celtic and got a technicality wrong and yet suffered. Hard lesson to learn. Bye Bye Huill as well. Their Euro adventure lasted a little longer than our carling cup lol

While I sympathise with Legia, the simple fact is they played a player who was suspended. That is not a technicality,, it is a clear breach of the rules.

 

[Kenny]

While I sympathise with Legia, the simple fact is they played a player who was suspended. That is not a technicality,, it is a clear breach of the rules.

Not as simple as that though was it. They left him out of games where his suspension started, however someone missed the bit in the rules that stated even though a player is suspended, he must be registered to play in that game for the suspension to count. So technically he had missed the games he was suspended for. Whilst they broke the rules, it wasn't an outright attempt to sneak a player in, it really was just an awful bit of bad luck on the playing side and at worse an oversight by someone. I believe a another club did something similar not that long ago and just got a slap on the wrist for it.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Not as simple as that though was it. They left him out of games where his suspension started, however someone missed the bit in the rules that stated even though a player is suspended, he must be registered to play in that game for the suspension to count. So technically he had missed the games he was suspended for. Whilst they broke the rules, it wasn't an outright attempt to sneak a player in it really was just an awful bit of bad luck on the playing side and at worse an oversight by someone. I believe a another club did something similar not that long ago and just got a slap on the wrist for it.

Agree with this, Legia tried and believed they acted in compliance with the rules, but was an oversight, I doubt the rules/technicalities are that straightforward to follow either and that's before they have to be translated into so many different languages.
For instance Celtic thought they had a player suspended for the first leg of the Maribor game after being sent off against Legia in the first leg, it was only a last minute check and discussion with UEFA (perhaps mindful of what happened to Legia) that they found out his offence was only a one match ban and he could play and had to fly him out the day of the game.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

As I said I do sympathise with Legia, but this was not a Sunday league game. I am sure that Legia have an administration team, and they should have known the rules regarding suspended players. Though as it was an oversight rather a flagrant attempt to breach the rules, then maybe the game with Celtic should have just been re-played.

Donegal has hit the nail on the head, Celtic checked with UEFA regarding the availability of one of their players, Legia should possibly have done the same.
As a matter of interest, which other club were guilty of doing the same thing?

 

[Kenny]

As a matter of interest, which other club were guilty of doing the same thing?

"In 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest by opponents Litex Lovech, who argued that the Hungarian side should be kicked out of the tournament.

Debrecen stressed that they had fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were already leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had “no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour”.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Ouch. That looks like a double standard.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

"In 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest by opponents Litex Lovech, who argued that the Hungarian side should be kicked out of the tournament.

Debrecen stressed that they had fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were already leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had “no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour”.

Thank you. I too am left wondering what the difference is between the two cases. UEFA must have had a reason for being so much stricter with Legia, but I wonder what the reason was.

 

[Kenny]

Thank you. I too am left wondering what the difference is between the two cases. UEFA must have had a reason for being so much stricter with Legia, but I wonder what the reason was.

The difference appears to be why the player was not allowed to play

Legia - Suspended (due to an Admin error)
Debrecen - Not registered (due to an Admin error)

So the Suspended player has meant they have gone straight to the rule book rather than the common sense approach used in 2010.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The difference appears to be why the player was not allowed to play

Legia - Suspended (due to an Admin error)
Debrecen - Not registered (due to an Admin error)

So the Suspended player has meant they have gone straight to the rule book rather than the common sense approach used in 2010.

Thanks for that Kenny. Now putting on my administrative hat for a minute I am presuming that UEFA deem it a more serious offence to play a player while suspended. In this country at parks football level, there are major problems with clubs playing suspended players, and any caught doing so are dealt with in a very strict manner. Now European football is light years away from parks football, but maybe the same criteria applies. Playing a suspended player is a very serious offence. Mind you, so is playing an unregistered player.

 

[Kenny]

It clearly has decided the suspended player means they have to use the rule and give the 3-0 to Celtic, but the following "Debrecen stressed that they had fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were already leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had “no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour" All of that matches to what Legia did.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

It does seem strange. Both clubs were guilty of playing an illegible player. And it agree that both clubs should have received the same punishment.

Though that does not alter the fact that Legia should have known he was suspended.

 

[NorwayFB]

It does seem strange. Both clubs were guilty of playing an illegible player. And it agree that both clubs should have received the same punishment.

Though that does not alter the fact that Legia should have known he was suspended.

They're different in the rulebook tho,the Legia player was not ineligible,he was suspended.Fielding a suspended player means you default to a 3-0 defeat,had Legia scored their penalties or Celtic not scored Legia would have gone through.
For some reason fielding an ineligible player seems a less offence,it should not be in my opinion.

 

[NorwayFB]

Augsburg v Dortmund on now.

Subotic back,and Grosskreutz has weaseled his way back into the team.

 

[YoungWolf]

Great goal! Reus 1-0

 

[NorwayFB]

Classic Dortmund goal,Reus.0-1

 

[slink]

The turn of pace the difference there and a calm finish.

 

[NorwayFB]

0-2 Sokratis Greeksurname

 

[NorwayFB]

Papasthatopolous

 

[The Bear]

Nearly but not quite.

 

[NorwayFB]

Nearly but not quite.

No?