LIVE! Match discussion 2014/15

[Del Woppio]

That's not an evasive manoeuvre by Rooney. It's cheating. It's little surprise that NWW and Gary Neville defend it though.

 

[ROVERT47]

If the incidents, all three, had happened at the other end the first would probably of been given offside, the second would of been deemed a push by the attacker and the third would of been deemed a dive. ( just my opinion mind you)

You couldn't have explained my argument better my friend. :icon_wink:

 

[Kenny]

If the incidents, all three, had happened at the other end the first would probably of been given offside, the second would of been deemed a push by the attacker and the third would of been deemed a dive. ( just my opinion mind you)

but on the flip side - the ref should have sent Davies off. The foul he got away with was a clear yellow card offence but he escaped it.

 

[darlowolf64]

but on the flip side - the ref should have sent Davies off. The foul he got away with was a clear yellow card offence but he escaped it.

Oh yes...The thug should of gone but the game was all but Man Utds so "no harm done" refereeing

 

[North West Wanderer]

I don't like the whole 'you can still concede the penalty without there being contact' argument TBH. For me, Rooney has seen the keeper charge out needlessly and recklessly, and has dived to win the penalty. But he's not been touched - 'anticipation' or not, he's not touched him. Hence a dive, hence no penalty. And I'd be annoyed if a Wolves player did that.

As for the equaliser, I think it's a bollocks rule that is totally down to interpretation and debate - too many grey areas with the whole 'interfering with play' rule. I wish they'd just make it simpler - if you're stood offside, you're offside regardless of where abouts you are in relation to the ball, the keeper's line of sight etc.

The dive occurred after the foul. It's therefore irrelevant to the foul. Contact doesn't have to occur for it to be a foul according to the rules of the game

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Frimpong didn't get one against the Villa when his head was nearly taken off.

He deserves the odd kick in the head though to be fair.

The dive occurred after the foul. It's therefore irrelevant to the foul. Contact doesn't have to occur for it to be a foul according to the rules of the game

But if it was a foul then he wouldn't need to dive would he? He could've been thrown off balance without contact, by evading the challenge awkwardly but he did so successfully and threw himself down.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The laws of the game state that a direct free kick should be awarded if a player commits any of the following offences in a manner considered to be reckless, careless or using excessive force:

Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent.
Trips or attempts to trip an opponent.
Jumps at an opponent.
Charges at an opponent.
Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent.
Pushes an opponent.
Tackles an opponent in a careless or reckless manner, or with excessive force.

 

[Jolemai]

BBC Article on the "dive"

Seems like Grayson doesn't believe it was a dive either.

 

[North West Wanderer]

That's not an evasive manoeuvre by Rooney. It's cheating. It's little surprise that NWW and Gary Neville defend it though.

And why is that Del Woppio?

Please I would LOVE you to tell me what I'm thinking!

 

[Kenny]

And why is that Del Woppio?

Please I would LOVE you to tell me what I'm thinking!

You is a Utd fan innit and you are thinking Del is cunt?

 

[North West Wanderer]

He deserves the odd kick in the head though to be fair.



But if it was a foul then he wouldn't need to dive would he? He could've been thrown off balance without contact, by evading the challenge awkwardly but he did so successfully and threw himself down.

He shouldn't have dived. But it was a foul. He dived after the foul.
People are getting the matter confused IMO. He was fouled regardless of contact.

I notice Kevin Davies not getting a blatant second yellow is barely mentioned.

 

[North West Wanderer]

You is a Utd fan innit and you are thinking Del is cunt?

Anyone who brings me and man Utd into any discussion is a cunt. And insulting to be quite honest.

You is rite innit

 

[MARKakaJIM]

He shouldn't have dived. But it was a foul. He dived after the foul.
People are getting the matter confused IMO. He was fouled regardless of contact.

I notice Kevin Davies not getting a blatant second yellow is barely mentioned.

You certainly can be fouled without contact but i don't think that's the case with Rooney. He doesn't have to make any real effort to avoid the keeper which causes him to lose his balance or possession of the ball, the only thing that has any negative impact on Rooney advancing with the ball is his own decision to drop to the floor. If that challenge had been from a centre midfielder around the half way line I don't think anyone would be calling for a foul and I certainly don't think Rooney hits the deck.

Rooney dived after what could've been a foul, he avoided the entire situation and then cheated a penalty out of a nothing incident.

 

[Del Woppio]

And why is that Del Woppio?

Please I would LOVE you to tell me what I'm thinking!

Because I think your allegiance clouds your thinking on this matter. The goal keeper in no way caused Rooney to fall over. He did that by choice, to win a penalty. He cheated.

 

[Del Woppio]

And I'm not saying partizan opinion is a bad thing. We all do it. But your opinion on United tends to be about as balanced on GlasgoWolf's opinion on Scotland, Albion or Andy Keogh.

 

[North West Wanderer]

Similarly my lack of hatred makes me able to look at all angles

 

[Langers]

You certainly can be fouled without contact but i don't think that's the case with Rooney. He doesn't have to make any real effort to avoid the keeper which causes him to lose his balance or possession of the ball, the only thing that has any negative impact on Rooney advancing with the ball is his own decision to drop to the floor. If that challenge had been from a centre midfielder around the half way line I don't think anyone would be calling for a foul and I certainly don't think Rooney hits the deck.

Rooney dived after what could've been a foul, he avoided the entire situation and then cheated a penalty out of a nothing incident.

Well summarised - what annoys me about these sort of incidents is that he could have stayed on his feet and had a decent opportunity to score. But he decided to cheat instead and that's disappointing.

 

[Jolemai]

So in short, every missed tackle is a foul. Interesting.

 

[ROVERT47]

If it had been Dicko at Molineux and he had stayed on his feet and missed the chance i wonder how many Wolves fans would have been saying, 'he should have gone down'.

 

[Jolemai]

I would say less than you think.