LIVE! Match discussion 2014/15

[Paddingtonwolf]

To quote Jamie Redknapp

"I blame Brendan Rodgers. He knew what he was buying. There is a reason why things are on sale in the supermarket"

Not often I agree with pundits at the moment, but that is spot on in description of a lazy, disinterested buffoon masquerading in the Liverpool shirt.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He's always had around a 1:5 ratio of good : bad displays and when he is bad he is horrific. However none of this is news and I'm not sure what Rodgers was expecting. He is as far removed from Suarez as you can get, they really should have signed Remy instead.

On non-footballer pundits; I really rate Philippe Auclair, Sid Lowe, Raf Honigstein and Tim Vickery.

Raf is tremendous, as is Auclair. Can I offer Marcel Van Der Cran (sp???) as a useful font of knowledge for the Dutch side of stuff?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not familiar with him, I haven't caught much of the Eredivisie since it's been on Sky; always seems to clash with me doing something else.

Further illustrates the point though - there are plenty of intelligent voices out there, I don't need someone to be shaking medals at me when they're talking about the game. I draw the line at Michael Cox though, he doesn't understand football. Tenuous bullshit.

 

[Johnny75]

Cox is a bellend trying to make his theories fit his data with silly phrases and little understanding. How anybody takes him seriously I don't know (but then I don't now why Leon Clarke is still a Wolves player).

Lowe, Marcotti, Honnigstien and Au Clair are excellent. It was great to see Tim Vickery wipe the floor with all the other pundits/ presenters in Brazil this summer. Criminally underused. I've always liked Richardson too. Christ knows why the likes of Hoddle, Souness, Beagrie and Saunders still get used. May as well ask my daughter who is nearly two for insightful comment.

 

[Johnny75]

Doubled.

 

[Lord Knows]

http://lockerdome.com/bbcsporf/6169461380096065/7084011482776596

Yes, Graeme..:facepalm:

 

[arklowolf]

Lallana? Ran around, did nothing of any worth.
Gerrard? Passenger.

 

[Jolemai]

May as well ask my daughter who is nearly two for insightful comment.

My two year old took the remote off the chair and turned off the last England game saying it was boring. They know more than we give them credit for!

 

[Johnny75]

My two year old took the remote off the chair and turned off the last England game saying it was boring. They know more than we give them credit for!

She probably knows more than me already! That makes Keys, Gray, Souness, Redknapp and Saunders totally redundant....

 

[Langers]

Agree. MOTD are particularly bad for it IMO, the likes of Alan Shearer, Robbie Savage and Dion Dublin are just painful to listen to. I enjoy listening to pundits like Gabriele Marcotti and James Richardson who never played football. Kelly Cates and Jacqui Oatley routinely outshine their male ex-pro co-workers as well.

I said this during the world cup but Alan Shearer has turned out to be a decent enough pundit IMO. Insightful analysis most weeks now, which he didn't do when he started the role. He's grown into it well.

 

[Lord Knows]

I said this during the world cup but Alan Shearer has turned out to be a decent enough pundit IMO. Insightful analysis most weeks now, which he didn't do when he started the role. He's grown into it well.

Shearer really, surprised by that. I think he has struggled massively since the retirement of Alan Hansen who pointed him in the general direction. I would like to see Danny Murphy given a more prominent role, he offers some insight.

 

[Langers]

Shearer really, surprised by that. I think he has struggled massively since the retirement of Alan Hansen who pointed him in the general direction. I would like to see Danny Murphy given a more prominent role, he offers some insight.

I don't think Hansen - who became a self-parody towards the end of his career - or the lack of Hansen has anything to do with how Shearer analyses games on MOTD. I'd totally agree that he didn't appear suited to punditry at first but I think he deserves a bit of credit for improving as much as he has. I don't mind watching him on MOTD at all - he's not in the Gary Neville class of pundit but he's not ITV-standard either. He's fine.

 

[YoungWolf]

Think Shearer is awful personally, with him I tend to notice that he has clearly watched the Sky pundits after the evening game and uses what they have said :icon_lol:

 

[vicarious wolf]

Anyone but Jason 'wivvaaaat a daaaaht' Roberts.

 

[Langers]

Think Shearer is awful personally, with him I tend to notice that he has clearly watched the Sky pundits after the evening game and uses what they have said :icon_lol:

Quite tricky for him to do that during half time at a live game in the World Cup, YW.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Shearer has definitely improved. Much more forthright these days, there's nothing worse in a pundit than someone scared to give an opinion. He was poor when he started - the Ben Arfa episode being a low point - but he is decent now. Don't agree that he leant on Hansen at all, that's completely off the wall. Hansen was coasting in 2004.

 

[YoungWolf]

Quite tricky for him to do that during half time at a live game in the World Cup, YW.

I wasn't talking about his world cup punditry (which he wasn't quite as bad as usual in)

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

My current top five (ex-players only):

Neville
Carragher
Dixon
Mendieta
Hamann

 

[Lycan]

Neville
Carragher
Leonardo
Henry
Schmeichel

 

[Johnny75]

I can't understand the Carragher love-in I think he's mediocre at best. Neville makes him look very good and would challenge anybody and I give Carragher his due for that as he doesn't back down. As for punditry, I never think he says anything you haven't already seen, nothing insightful like Neville, Leonardo, Seedorf or Mendieta. I'd throw Martinez in there as well as he's excellent.