Leeds 1-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[redvictor]

The loudest I’ve ever heard a home crowd i think which you don’t really expect when a team is 1-0 down but the whole ground got behind them.

That in itself would have pushed them on. Our crowd has done the same for our team! As much as people are thinking Leeds at home are a push over, they are not. They won't stop running until the whistle goes, and it's a 95 minute press.
A draw today under the circumstances is ok for me.

 

[Throbber3]

Same as we were last season. A side in transition but without the players to effect it properly. Hopefully we can go some way to improving that in January

Been here before though

 

[Alan]

We have the points we deserve. Just not from the matches we deserved them in. It’s a strange one. I want to give Lage time but it’s almost as if he is managing by numbers at the moment. I hope he and the squad click. He will probably win manager if the month now !

I know I'm a fucking annoying ass broken record with this, but...

We didn't deserve anything from the games we lost. Our finishing was shite and we made ridiculous defensive errors. We paid the price in points. We played more attractive football, but not football that deserved anything.

 

[prawnking]

That in itself would have pushed them on. Our crowd has done the same for our team! As much as people are thinking Leeds at home are a push over, they are not. They won't stop running until the whistle goes, and it's a 95 minute press.
A draw today under the circumstances is ok for me.

Exactly. For all the railing we all do against 'entitled' fans (Wolves or otherwise), there's a smidgeon of that going on today

 

[Freddeno]

I know I'm a fucking annoying ass broken record with this, but...

We didn't deserve anything from the games we lost. Our finishing was shite and we made ridiculous defensive errors. We paid the price in points. We played more attractive football, but not football that deserved anything.

sorry, cant agree with that at all Alan

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Wilf mentioned the Donk pass backwards in the second half when there was a clear pass on to break lines forward but he just didn’t ever look for it. Everyone berated him but it was a clear sign that sometimes we still struggle to be positive on the ball and it’s still early days under Bruno.

I understand that when you're one up away from home a safety-first mentality is inevitable but you can take it too far. It was a simple pass, a large area to pass into yet Donk didn't even look for the forward option. Moments later they had possession back when we could have been in a threatening position. It was one of many occasions when we went back too easily. Surely this approach comes from Lage and what makes it so puzzling is it is the complete opposite of how we approached early games. I don't recall ever seeing such a Jekyll and Hyde approach from a manager before.

 

[Alan]

sorry, cant agree with that at all Alan

I mean, we could take the goal posts away and make it a footballing beauty pageant, I guess.

I know I'm in the minority on that, I'll shut up now.

 

[Freddeno]

I mean, we could take the goal posts away and make it a footballing beauty pageant, I guess.

I know I'm in the minority on that, I'll shut up now.

you dont have to shut up at all, it is a forum and many have different opinions

 

[slink]

I understand that when you're one up away from home a safety-first mentality is inevitable but you can take it too far. It was a simple pass, a large area to pass into yet Donk didn't even look for the forward option. Moments later they had possession back when we could have been in a threatening position. It was one of many occasions when we went back too easily. Surely this approach comes from Lage and what makes it so puzzling is it is the complete opposite of how we approached early games. I don't recall ever seeing such a Jekyll and Hyde approach from a manager before.

100% didn’t come from Lage. He was fuming and so were the rest of the players. He wants them to play progressive football but they’ve been used to going back for the last 4 years and that creeps back in sometimes. That’s not sniping at Nuno, our approach worked under him and gave the majority of us the best times watching this club but right now it isn’t helping and the transition is not as easy as some believe it to be. I think those first 3 games have given some fans false hope that it was going to happen overnight.

 

[Alan]

Appreciated, Fred, but as many here know, sometimes I pick my battles poorly!

 

[Throbber3]

Same as we were last season. A side in transition but without the players to effect it properly. Hopefully we can go some way to improving that in January

Been here before though

I know I'm a fucking annoying ass broken record with this, but...

We didn't deserve anything from the games we lost. Our finishing was shite and we made ridiculous defensive errors. We paid the price in points. We played more attractive football, but not football that deserved anything.

lets agree to disagree because with that ideal we should have under 5 points

 

[Throbber3]

Appreciated, Fred, but as many here know, sometimes I pick my battles poorly!

Mate u and me both x

 

[redvictor]

100% didn’t come from Lage. He was fuming and so were the rest of the players. He wants them to play progressive football but they’ve been used to going back for the last 4 years and that creeps back in sometimes. That’s not sniping at Nuno, our approach worked under him and gave the majority of us the best times watching this club but right now it isn’t helping and the transition is not as easy as some believe it to be. I think those first 3 games have given some fans false hope that it was going to happen overnight.

Agreed on that. The players default setting is defensive minded. It's mentally hard to get out of that default when you are pressurised in a game. Bruno has been raging on the touchline in more than todays game.

 

[Alan]

lets agree to disagree because with that ideal we should have under 5 points

Works both ways. For me, generally speaking (and not taking into account things like terrible refereeing decisions), football is a sport where the teams get exactly what they deserve.

Frankly, I wouldn't love the sport so much if I didn't feel that way. In my view, especially relative to sports like American football or basketball, there are fewer external variables in football that can affect the outcome of a game in a way that goes against the performances on the field. That's a beautiful thing, IMO.

It can be exceptionally cruel, as well. Ask Aston Villa.

 

[Del Woppio]

100% didn’t come from Lage. He was fuming and so were the rest of the players. He wants them to play progressive football but they’ve been used to going back for the last 4 years and that creeps back in sometimes. That’s not sniping at Nuno, our approach worked under him and gave the majority of us the best times watching this club but right now it isn’t helping and the transition is not as easy as some believe it to be. I think those first 3 games have given some fans false hope that it was going to happen overnight.

But surely the massive shift in style after the first three games is obvious from the ground as it is on for us telly losers? The early games were like football we've not seen for years, the pressing, the combinations, the creativity, but that's all gone. How has that happened? I could see your point of they'd just never got it, but he had them playing in his style. They've surely not just stopped listening. It must be at least in part his decision

 

[Alan]

But surely the massive shift in style after the first three games is obvious from the ground as it is on for us telly losers? The early games were like football we've not seen for years, the pressing, the combinations, the creativity, but that's all gone. How has that happened? I could see your point of they'd just never got it, but he had them playing in his style. They've surely not just stopped listening. It must be at least in part his decision

Or, the players totally bought in, but after the first three matches ended with no points and no goals, they began subconsciously/mentally regressing?

I'd buy either explanation.

 

[Carsy]

I know I'm a fucking annoying ass broken record with this, but...

We didn't deserve anything from the games we lost. Our finishing was shite and we made ridiculous defensive errors. We paid the price in points. We played more attractive football, but not football that deserved anything.

Does that mean equally well deserved the point today as Leeds were unable to make there advantage count?

 

[sycophantia]

But surely the massive shift in style after the first three games is obvious from the ground as it is on for us telly losers? The early games were like football we've not seen for years, the pressing, the combinations, the creativity, but that's all gone. How has that happened? I could see your point of they'd just never got it, but he had them playing in his style. They've surely not just stopped listening. It must be at least in part his decision

Something had to change after the first 3 games, it was nice to see us play exciting football ball but with 3 losses and no goals scored Bruno decided to be a bit more pragmatic, hard to blame him for that. It appears from what Slink says that the players just aren't listening or able to do what he wants, not sure what he can do about that, it's not like he has loads of alternatives to make changes.

 

[slink]

But surely the massive shift in style after the first three games is obvious from the ground as it is on for us telly losers? The early games were like football we've not seen for years, the pressing, the combinations, the creativity, but that's all gone. How has that happened? I could see your point of they'd just never got it, but he had them playing in his style. They've surely not just stopped listening. It must be at least in part his decision

I totally understand the point but i do think those 3 games were a bit misleading even though i think we played well. None of them pressed us well and that let us get out easier, all 3 of them were happier to sit in and counter. Not all the teams have been happy to do so. We still get glimpses of that creativity, the pressing, even today we nicked a 3 or 4 times in the first half but didn’t capitalise much like those first 3 games. What has changed is the gaps between the centre backs, the centre mids etc isn’t as big as Bruno obviously saw we needed to be a bit more solid and not try to concede and that makes us more defensive. Now that doesn’t always work as we still concede but we do have a lot of individual errors that lead to goals imo.

I just think the criticism is a bit much really too. I don’t think the game was so much different to the win with Rauls deflected goal but the criticism is definitely more visible from what i can remember. I don’t like it when we sit back and we are much better for me on the front foot and Bruno does need to find a way of us being able to do this more but i’m going to give him time and not be so critical at the moment especially when i can see him on the side like today not happy with what we were actually doing.

 

[Carsy]

I totally understand the point but i do think those 3 games were a bit misleading even though i think we played well. None of them pressed us well and that let us get out easier, all 3 of them were happier to sit in and counter. Not all the teams have been happy to do so. We still get glimpses of that creativity, the pressing, even today we nicked a 3 or 4 times in the first half but didn’t capitalise much like those first 3 games. What has changed is the gaps between the centre backs, the centre mids etc isn’t as big as Bruno obviously saw we needed to be a bit more solid and not try to concede and that makes us more defensive. Now that doesn’t always work as we still concede but we do have a lot of individual errors that lead to goals imo.

I just think the criticism is a bit much really too. I don’t think the game was so much different to the win with Rauls deflected goal but the criticism is definitely more visible from what i can remember. I don’t like it when we sit back and we are much better for me on the front foot and Bruno does need to find a way of us being able to do this more but i’m going to give him time and not be so critical at the moment especially when i can see him on the side like today not happy with what we were actually doing.

I guess maybe it’s easier to be expansive against the bigger teams as they leave you more gaps maybe? Be interesting how we fair against the other ‘big teams’