Keir Starmer at it again..

[Templeton Peck]

The right leader with the right message and they pick up most of the vote they've lost to Green. Whilst they continue to have the wrong leader with the wrong message they won't.

What's the right message though? To my mind the only way they can succeed now is by tracking Left.

 

[Del Woppio]

Wealth tax, properly stamping down on corporation tax and and a referendum to rejoin the EU and they'd absolutely piss the next election

 

[Tony Towner]

What's the right message though? To my mind the only way they can succeed now is by tracking Left.

Economically the signs are positive so by the time the election comes around there should be a good story to tell there.

They need to tackle 'illegal' immigration by investing in processing and deportation centres and not focus on boats and apeing Reform. You aren't stopping at source so stop banging on about smashing gangs and process people quickly once they are here. Make the story about the number that have been sent away, if that's the appropriate response, not the number that have come and not in a dog whistling Rwanda kind of way.

Enact policies you believe in and stick to them, irrespective of what social media or the right wing press says, you aren't winning those battles, don't bother trying.

Most of all ditch Starmer, have a wide pot of candidates to replace him and elect the one that is best able to engage with a positive message. Hopefully that's someone who at the moment is a bit off the radar.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Wealth tax, properly stamping down on corporation tax and and a referendum to rejoin the EU and they'd absolutely piss the next election

Greens are offering rejoin - no referendum.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Economically the signs are positive so by the time the election comes around there should be a good story to tell there.

They need to tackle 'illegal' immigration by investing in processing and deportation centres and not focus on boats and apeing Reform. You aren't stopping at source so stop banging on about smashing gangs and process people quickly once they are here. Make the story about the number that have been sent away, if that's the appropriate response, not the number that have come and not in a dog whistling Rwanda kind of way.

Enact policies you believe in and stick to them, irrespective of what social media or the right wing press says, you aren't winning those battles, don't bother trying.

Most of all ditch Starmer, have a wide pot of candidates to replace him and elect the one that is best able to engage with a positive message. Hopefully that's someone who at the moment is a bit off the radar.

I'd argue without systemic changes the economic data is neither here nor there. People need to feel it. We currently live in a world where butter is security tagged and people are having to choose between heating or eating. The party that promises to address those things will win the next GE. And deservedly so.

 

[Tony Towner]

BBC News - Burnham would probably have won by-election, Labour deputy leader says

Burnham would 'probably' have won by-election, Labour deputy leader says

Lucy Powell tells the BBC that Labour needs to make more use of the Greater Manchester mayor.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Greens are offering rejoin - no referendum.

Which I'm absolutely down with for innumerable reasons, but it's not going to fly politically (or arguably constitutionally), and it's that kind of unrealistic stance that they can't take at a GE if they want to have a share of power (which is the very best they're going to get, there is as good as a 0% chance of them winning outright)

 

[Tony Towner]

Which I'm absolutely down with for innumerable reasons, but it's not going to fly politically (or arguably constitutionally), and it's that kind of unrealistic stance that they can't take at a GE if they want to have a share of power (which is the very best they're going to get, there is as good as a 0% chance of them winning outright)

NATO position
Drugs position
Environmental policy being inflationary
Polanski's interesting past
Once these all get explored properly at a GE people will switch away if Labour are electable.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

NATO position
Drugs position
Environmental policy being inflationary
Polanski's interesting past
Once these all get explored properly at a GE people will switch away if Labour are electable.

To use my own personal situation, when I lived in South Staffordshire Actually and no-one but Gavvy Gav (or any fucking idiot in a blue rosette) was going to win, I could merrily vote Green (and did, over and over, to the point they actually got council representation in the end), knowing that I personally believed in a lot of what they said and as a fuck you to Ed x 2's AusterityLite and Brexit Jez being what he is.

When I moved to SW Wolves and it's something approaching a fight between red and blue - to the point we had Stuart fucking Anderson as our sitting MP when I arrived - like fuck was I doing anything whatsoever to enable a Tory win, so sorry Greens, but I can't do that any more.

Now the Tories will be nowhere near when the next GE comes, especially if they keep Badenoch, but swap Reform in for Tory in that paragraph above and the same applies.

The Greens will only retain this seat if the new MP does a very strong job for the constituency in the interim (as I believe the LD MP for North Shropshire did when they won that seat off the Tories, and continues to do)

 

[Del Woppio]

Greens are offering rejoin - no referendum.

I don't think I'd be comfortable with a change like that being without a referendum. I know you could say that the election was the referendum but I'd rather it gave a definitive mandate in its own right tbh

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't think I'd be comfortable with a change like that being without a referendum. I know you could say that the election was the referendum but I'd rather it gave a definitive mandate in its own right tbh

It's also not within the Greens' remit to offer.

It's like me saying "make me Wolves manager, I'll sign Frenkie de Jong and build a team around him". Which is all well and good but what if he doesn't want to join. The EU wouldn't have us back under the terms under which we left (one of many reasons why it was such a boneheaded move in the first place) and it's going to take years of re-negotiation. Not just "we'll rejoin".

In fact going down that road does not do a great deal to make you look like a serious party.