Keir Starmer at it again..

[jd1981]

But the whole basis of this conversation today is that the Greens would just put us back in the EU without a referendum.

But is that actually what they are saying!?

As far as we know no, the debate hypothetical on how democratic it is.
I just think something as huge as that needs its separate campaign detailing it and a referendum not just being part of a multi policy mandate it’s just too big a decision.

 

[BillyDee]

Given that the leave vote was secured on the back of an illegally funded campaign based on lies, with foreign state interference, I'd have no qualms rejoining without another vote.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Erm agreed I’m not a reform voter BTW as your the second person to bring up reform to me.
Just again it adds weight to the fact that parties on the extremism left or right will make some very radical and poor promises to look like they offer an alternative.

Apologies, never doubted you as a Reform voter, I was just replying to your point saying that it's a big thing deserving of it's own vote with my observation that being pulled out of ECHR by Reform won't be put to the public by Reform yet is as big and will change our Civil, Political and Social rights profoundly.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Given that the leave vote was secured on the back of an illegally funded campaign based on lies, with foreign state interference, I'd have no qualms rejoining without another vote.

As an individual, I'm fine with it.

But the United Kingdom doesn't run for the sole benefit of Dan Lavelle. As much as that might be quite a good idea.

 

[jd1981]

Given that the leave vote was secured on the back of an illegally funded campaign based on lies, with foreign state interference, I'd have no qualms rejoining without another vote.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, how about running the campaign again in that case? Let’s just think about the uproar and division it would cause just reversing it without a vote?
At least putting it to a vote gives it far more legitimacy.

 

[jd1981]

Apologies, never doubted you as a Reform voter, I was just replying to your point saying that it's a big thing deserving of it's own vote with my observation that being pulled out of ECHR by Reform won't be put to the public by Reform yet is as big and will change our Civil, Political and Social rights profoundly.

Workers rights also I think people don’t realise how well protected they’re by the basic rights they have ie minimum annual leave, pay, work time directive, disability laws, discrimination etc some employers would have no problems pushing their staff towards borderline slavery if they could.