Keir Starmer at it again..

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm trying to find the Greens official stance on the EU. I'm struggling.

This is the best I can find, it doesn't sound as clear cut as said on here?

Full membership of the EU remains the best option for the UK, and we are in favour of pursuing a policy to re-join as soon as the political will is present.

“Of course, that means building the widespread public support we need before a decision to rejoin is made.

Greens back closer ties with Europe - Green Party

Green Party conference backed detailed policy that will see the party press the new government for much closer relations with the European Union. Green MP Ellie Chowns said: “The conference has made it very clear that people and planet would benefit from much closer relationships between our...

greenparty.org.uk

 

[Templeton Peck]

If you think Labour and the Lib Dem’s are in any way Thatcherite I’m guessing you didn’t live through much of her spell as PM.

If you think they're not Thatcherite I have some lovely beach front property in Wolverhampton for your consideration.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yeah - I look at Streeting and think "oh look, it's Keith Joseph with a different coloured tie".

I don't think your trite assertions that everyone right of your point of view is basically Tebbit and co are actually helpful to your argument. Your mileage no doubt will vary on that one.

 

[sycophantia]

If you think they're not Thatcherite I have some lovely beach front property in Wolverhampton for your consideration.

Having experienced the start of Thatcherism 2 years after I left school my judgement may be a bit coloured but I don't see any closeness from the other parties.
FFS don't get me started on Thatcher.

 

[leedswolf]

If you think they're not Thatcherite I have some lovely beach front property in Wolverhampton for your consideration.

In some ways the LP is appearing to distance itself from Thatcherism, eg. nationalisation of railways, more public control of bus services. Howevef, the economy these days is driven by government placating investor confidence.

 

[Tony Towner]

I wasn’t happy with the brexit vote, I’d happily go back to the EU.
However it has to be done democratically, the nation voted for brexit just I didn’t like it but understand it’s what happens in democracy.
Reversing something without a vote flies in the face of democracy and pretty much is hypocritical of what the greens stand for. It won’t happen though.

If you win a General Election outright with that as a key part of your manifesto then you don't need a referendum, you've already had it.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The problem is that the mandate isn't just on that one item, so many will argue that isn't what they were voting about. It doesn't make it any less valid a mandate in theory, but I think just backtracking on a vote that split the country so almost exactly down the middle is going to piss off all those who voted to leave and make the government that does it unpopular. It may need to be a generation further down the line judging by the demographic of that Brexit vote before it can be railed back without electoral consequences.

It would be funny to see Farage's face if it happened though.

 

[jd1981]

It really doesn't. If you don't want to rejoin without a referendum then don't vote for them. It's only undemocratic if someone lies to you to win your vote - Starmer's leadership campaign.

That’s rubbish sorry, you don’t vote a party in on the proviso of one element of their policy if you do you’re stupid.
You vote on multiple reasons and elements to their policies. Most often than not you vote for the ones who most resonate to you, you may not like all of their policies but if most suit them you’ll lean that way.
Whole point of referendums is to vote on that one issue at that time in its isolation.
An issues as big as re-joining the EU deserves its own referendum for itself not just to be packed into the mix of other various policies.

 

[Kenny]

you don’t vote a party in on the proviso of one element of their policy if you do you’re stupid.

Majority of Reform voters disagree

 

[Tony Towner]

The problem is that the mandate isn't just on that one item, so many will argue that isn't what they were voting about.

Yeah technically, but if they were the only party standing on that platform with a serious chance of winning then it becomes the largest debating point of the election. Only the disingenuous could claim that's not what people voted for. Anyway with it being the Greens even their best case doesn't get an overall majority so moot really.

 

[Templeton Peck]

That’s rubbish sorry, you don’t vote a party in on the proviso of one element of their policy if you do you’re stupid.
You vote on multiple reasons and elements to their policies. Most often than not you vote for the ones who most resonate to you, you may not like all of their policies but if most suit them you’ll lean that way.
Whole point of referendums is to vote on that one issue at that time in its isolation.
An issues as big as re-joining the EU deserves its own referendum for itself not just to be packed into the mix of other various policies.

Well then you have to decide how important rejoining the EU is to you. Weigh it up.

 

[Templeton Peck]

In some ways the LP is appearing to distance itself from Thatcherism, eg. nationalisation of railways, more public control of bus services. Howevef, the economy these days is driven by government placating investor confidence.

It's bollocks though. He said all this in his leadership campaign then rowed back on all of it. The rail thing is pretty cosmetic given they won't own the rolling stock.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I'd actually go further and say that the two main parties are further to the right than Thatcher. More stuff has been privatised since she left office and Brown de-regulated the City. They're both anti-EU and rabidly pro-Israel.