Keir Starmer at it again..

[prawnking]

You can digress and ask questions about Golliwogs all you like.

You're free to answer too, if you like

 

[prawnking]

I have no idea.

You should have just lead with this a couple of days ago and saved us all a lot of time

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Driscoll then downplayed it, and refused to apologise or acknowledge that he should have brought up Loach's comments.

If you say that Corbyn couldn't favour a second referendum due to fear of political suicide, and understand that, why can't you understand that much of Starmer's reputation rests on following through on his comment to a zero tolerance approach to antisemitism?

It was an interview about the films he'd recently filmed in the North East wasn't it? As he's the Mayor of that area?

I saw a piece from the BBC the other day, they were interviewing Loach about Cannes film festival. Funnily enough they didn't just randomly ask him about Jews.

We're surely in a very dodgy situation if people are being de selected for not apologising on behalf of other people they meet? (Although that isn't the official reason is it...)

There probably isn't a politician around who at some point hasn't been in the company of someone others might find undesirable?

As I mentioned the other day Starmer has himself appeared in a Loach film.

If Labour want to be clear on this then their statements as to why need to be more clearcut surely, otherwise there will be plenty of accusations of double standards thrown at them.

For example,

Neil Coyle: Labour readmits MP suspended over 'drunken abuse' - BBC News

Neil Coyle was suspended for five days in March for breaching Parliament's harassment rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

"In March, he was found to have used "abusive language with racial overtones" towards political journalist Henry Dyer, who is of British-Chinese heritage, in a Commons bar in February 2022."

Racism is racism no? And Driscoll himself wasn't racist, Loach was, where as the words came out of Coyle's mouth!?

Surely you understand what I'm getting at here?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You should have just lead with this a couple of days ago and saved us all a lot of time

"Humourously" editing and quoting my posts is becoming a regular theme now, and is on a par with pointing out typos really isn't it.

Have a gold star.

 

[prawnking]

That particular quote was about both sides wanting to win, again if you can't read between the lines of what that actually means I really do pity you. To spell it out those that were working against JC would see a Labour defeat as a win in this instance especially as they'd been actively working against him.

Also, the Forde report was independent, so posting the Labour Party's spin on it isn't the gotcha you think it is

The Labour Party summary is a fair and accurate distillation of the report. It's you who is wilfully (I presume) misinterpreting it to come to a false conclusion.

Longer, direct quote from the report:
"Did factionalism influence decisions about
strategy and resource allocation?

Yes. There is some evidence that both sides improperly
based resourcing decisions on a combination of
electoral need and factional alignment, when only
electoral need should have been considered. We find
that both HQ staff and LOTO staff wanted the Party
to win with as many of their favoured MPs in place
as possible, which prevented fully objective decision-
making; the two sides were trying to win in different ways"


So when you 'spell it out' for me, it's about as accurate as your spelling of Starmer's name.

Anti-Corbyn staffers weren't trying to deliberately throw the election (your original assertion), or would have seen a defeat as a win, both sides were trying to win

I dunno about the Labour Party's spin, I think we should all be more alert to yours

 

[prawnking]

It was an interview about the films he'd recently filmed in the North East wasn't it? As he's the Mayor of that area?

I saw a piece from the BBC the other day, they were interviewing Loach about Cannes film festival. Funnily enough they didn't just randomly ask him about Jews.

We're surely in a very dodgy situation if people are being de selected for not apologising on behalf of other people they meet? (Although that isn't the official reason is it...)

There probably isn't a politician around who at some point hasn't been in the company of someone others might find undesirable?

As I mentioned the other day Starmer has himself appeared in a Loach film.

If Labour want to be clear on this then their statements as to why need to be more clearcut surely, otherwise there will be plenty of accusations of double standards thrown at them.

For example,

Neil Coyle: Labour readmits MP suspended over 'drunken abuse' - BBC News

Neil Coyle was suspended for five days in March for breaching Parliament's harassment rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

"In March, he was found to have used "abusive language with racial overtones" towards political journalist Henry Dyer, who is of British-Chinese heritage, in a Commons bar in February 2022."

Racism is racism no? And Driscoll himself wasn't racist, Loach was, where as the words came out of Coyle's mouth!?

Surely you understand what I'm getting at here?

Racism is racism

Says one of the clowns who's been downplaying antisemitism for most of the weekend.


It's not about what Loach, Driscoll or Coyle did, it's more than likely to do with their behaviour afterwards, regarding assurances, apologies, understanding what they did etc. That's how political parties often work.

Loach and Driscoll have as much of a clue about antisemitism as you and TP; no acknowledgement, no apology, no behaviour amendment

 

[ROVERT47]

I’ve never understood the support for Corbyn and momentum, I’m pretty sure if Yvette Cooper had won the leadership race she would have become the first female Labour Prime Minister.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Maybe he's an absolute bollock of a man, like Sam Tarry was?

He certainly hasn't done what he claims.

Is he worse than Alastair Campbell or Blair though?

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Is he worse than Alastair Campbell or Blair though?

What is so horrific about them? Is it all down to the Iraq War?

Domestically, the Blair years were the best political years of my adult lifetime.

 

[Templeton Peck]

What is so horrific about them? Is it all down to the Iraq War?

Domestically, the Blair years were the best political years of my adult lifetime.

Same I suppose. Fortunately I don't live in Fallujah.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

I agree that our role in the Afghan/Iraq invasions is something to be ashamed of but I still have a plenty of time for Blair/Brown/Campbell and what they have to say. Their politics made our county a much better place.

I’m still have loads of respect for Gordon Brown (and his wife). It’s a shame he wasn’t given more of a chance as PM.

 

[Johnny75]

Same I suppose. Fortunately I don't live in Fallujah.

Fallujah wasn't a particularly good place to live in at the time.

Something to do with that Saddam bloke.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

What, of Blair/Brown's legacy do we still have? Much of what was good has been dismantled and stuff I didn't like has been made worse by the Tories (academies in education and marketisation of the NHS). Early years provision decimated, NHS performance decreasing...Still got the fox hunting ban though.

Economic growth, low inflation and low interest rates were fuelled by increasing immigration that ultimately led to a "left behind" group coalescing around Brexit and then Johnson.

In many ways, there is more of a Thatcher legacy pervading society now than there is a Blair/Brown legacy which...in my opinion...is a shame because Blair/Brown were a much more positive influence socially than Thatcher.

And then there is the foreign policy, that legacy does still remain.

 

[Dire Wolf]

The election of the Blair government was a moment of absolute euphoria after 18 years of Tory rule that was abysmal and soul destroying for the majority of working class people. And his government did some brilliant things. The Sure Start programme was one of the best things to happen in Early Years provision, so naturally the Tories scrapped it. The Blair Government's investment in education generally was terrific and working in schools at that time, the resources and funding were incomparable to what schools have now. It advanced education enormously.

But Gulf War lies aside, they also did some things that sowed the seeds for what the subsequent Tory governments have taken advantage of. Instead of rolling back the use of PFIs in the NHS, begun under Major, if anything they embraced that and accelerated it, paving the way for what we have now for the creeping privatisation of the NHS. In years to come when we have no NHS, which nobody would be surprised if that came to pass, and private health care has taken over, Blair's government will share some of the blame for that. They had it in their hands to end the use of PFIs in the Health Service and didn't. When push came to shove, Blair's government still found ways to line the pockets of wealthy capitalists to the detriment of public services. So for all the tremendous things they achieved, that government, for me at least, was a wasted opportunity to truly benefit the people whose interests the Labour Party was founded to serve.

 

[prawnking]

What, of Blair/Brown's legacy do we still have?

I'd say a National Minimum Wage and the Good Friday agreement are pretty decent?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I'd say a National Minimum Wage and the Good Friday agreement are pretty decent?

Good point about GFA, albeit a legacy of Major's government. That said, it was not an easy win to get that over the line.

 

[Sniffer]

Yeah, he had a bit more to do on the GFA than Johnson did on the Elizabeth line. It didn’t stop him from praising himself for it though in Fridays 1000 word rant.

 

[Jolemai]

Lords abstaining on the "fatal motion" because politics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668693777848868876

 

[Templeton Peck]

Lords abstaining on the "fatal motion" because politics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668693777848868876

Very grown up and sensible.

 

[Dire Wolf]