Keir Starmer at it again..

[Johnny75]

Factual evidence? Are you having a laugh? His ex bandmate calls him anti semitic in amongst a load of other bitter shite. I suggest one of his most famous works in anti racist and anti fascist and its just dismissed. Christ on a bike.

Who has said the Wall isn't anti-fascist?

And you're dismissing the people that know him best because you want your point proven.

It's downright bizarre and you've utterly lost it.

 

[ROVERT47]

I’m a lifelong Labour voter, one of my happiest times was April 1997, It might not go down too well on here but to quote Peter Mandelson, “lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose.
At last, in Keir Starmer a Labour leader who actually would like to form a Government.

 

[Paul]

I’m a lifelong Labour voter,

You wait till I tell everyone you live in Wightwick Manor

 

[Templeton Peck]

I think I'd care equally as little if it were someone who had nothing to do with national politics, lived nowhere near where I live and had in reality done about 1% of what he claims to have done.

And yet here you are.

 

[Templeton Peck]

We need a reaction emoji

The argument isn't about the creative intentions of a Pink Floyd album FFS

I believe the exasperation on Johnny's part is due to the use of a 1979 piece of music as a pathetic defence for the shit Waters is doing in 2023

He's still performing it ffs. That's why it's come up. People have misconstrued it, either intentionally or not.

 

[prawnking]

So which Jews count?

I don't think anyone doesn't 'count'.

But just 'cos one member of a group doesn't see a problem with something, doesn't mean 'end of story'.

Plenty of African-Americans and Hispanics supported Trump and didn't think he was racist or particularly problematic

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

And yet here you are.

Wasn't me raising it as the latest handwringing "look at Labour!" episode, I was responding to how hysterical Sam Tarry's fan club were being as usual.

 

[prawnking]

He's still performing it ffs. That's why it's come up. People have misconstrued it, either intentionally or not.

Forget the music and tired, obvious performance imagery.

Have you seen the rants at his concerts?

Where (with no musical accompaniment), he just reads from notes a list of grievances (rather like Father Ted's 'list of liars') and half-baked conspiracy theories and fantasies? Where he refers to the MP who criticised his concerts as acting at the behest of "masters in the Foreign Office in Tel Aviv"? (before telling him bizarrely to 'do your research, you cripple! (?)'. Nice guy.)

Do you understand what some of the most powerful anti-semitic tropes are? Do you see them at work here? The conspiracy theories of hidden, sinister control and power? Make sense yet?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Never thought I'd end up defending Roger fucking Waters. Funny world we live in.

 

[Johnny75]

Never thought I'd end up defending Roger fucking Waters. Funny world we live in.

You've been aligning yourself with people that hold abhorrent views and considered cranks.

You're one step away from a Mitchell and Webb gif.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I don't think anyone doesn't 'count'.

But just 'cos one member of a group doesn't see a problem with something, doesn't mean 'end of story'.

Plenty of African-Americans and Hispanics supported Trump and didn't think he was racist or particularly problematic

If someone was truly anti semitic JVL wouldn't be supporting them. Where they differ is their views on state of Israel which is a totally separate issue.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Forget the music and tired, obvious performance imagery.

Have you seen the rants at his concerts?

Where (with no musical accompaniment), he just reads from notes a list of grievances (rather like Father Ted's 'list of liars') and half-baked conspiracy theories and fantasies? Where he refers to the MP who criticised his concerts as acting at the behest of "masters in the Foreign Office in Tel Aviv"? (before telling him bizarrely to 'do your research, you cripple! (?)'. Nice guy.)

Do you understand what some of the most powerful anti-semitic tropes are? Do you see them at work here? The conspiracy theories of hidden, sinister control and power? Make sense yet?

I'm sure Roger Waters spouts all sorts of shite. The problem here is that people are leaping on the very obvious anti fascist theatre and claiming it to be anti semitic which is ridiculous.

Waters seems to be claiming that the Israeli govt wields influence over some MPs which even a cursory Google would suggest he's correct. Claiming govts are trying to influence foreign politicians isn't grounds for anti-semitism claims.

 

[prawnking]

If someone was truly anti semitic JVL wouldn't be supporting them

What kind of actions would someone have to undertake to be 'truly' anti-semitic in your downplaying worldview?

Kill a Jew?

 

[Johnny75]

Quick question @Templeton Peck do you believe the Holocaust happened?

 

[prawnking]

Waters seems to be claiming that the Israeli govt wields influence over some MPs which even a cursory Google would suggest he's correct. Claiming govts are trying to influence foreign politicians isn't grounds for anti-semitism claims.

He also claims Israel stopped Corbyn winning the 2019 election.

If you can't see how spouting obsessive conspiracies about Jews controlling everything rings the 'anti-semite' alarm then I don't know what else to say.

What do you think about his constant comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany? That all fine and dandy too?

 

[Kenny]

 

[Templeton Peck]

He also claims Israel stopped Corbyn winning the 2019 election.

If you can't see how spouting obsessive conspiracies about Jews controlling everything rings the 'anti-semite' alarm then I don't know what else to say.

What do you think about his constant comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany? That all fine and dandy too?

I don't agree with the 2019 election claim.

Do you genuinely believe that claiming the Israeli govt seeks to influence foreign politicians is equivalent to 'Jews control everything '?

 

[prawnking]

I don't agree with the 2019 election claim.

Do you genuinely believe that claiming the Israeli govt seeks to influence foreign politicians is equivalent to 'Jews control everything '?

He's not just said it once, and not just about one country.

Plenty of countries lobby for their interests. Why doesn't he have a problem with them? With China, or Iran, or Russia (well, we know what he thinks about Russia...).

He's David Icke crossed with Mel Gibson, in a black T shirt FFS. Obsessed crackpot.

And Israel and Nazi Germany? Thoughts on that?

 

[Templeton Peck]

He's not just said it once, and not just about one country.

Plenty of countries lobby for their interests. Why doesn't he have a problem with them? With China, or Iran, or Russia (well, we know what he thinks about Russia...).

He's David Icke crossed with Mel Gibson, in a black T shirt FFS. Obsessed crackpot.

And Israel and Nazi Germany? Thoughts on that?

You'd have to ask him. Presumably he cares a lot about the illegal occupation of Palestine?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Quick question @Templeton Peck do you believe the Holocaust happened?

I'm reminded of James O'Briens quote about Labour now 'being the party of Holocaust denial' or Heffer talking about Corbyn wanting to 'reopen Auschwitz'.