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Just how good were/was/is/are (Wolves Edition)

Was he better than those?

I do remember Francis in his very late career, still a good footballer. A stain of a manager though.
 
Before my time. Channon, Latchford, Chivers and Mariner are all target men types so not really comparable. Clarke's nickname was Sniffer so that tells you what he was. The early 80s Francis was better than the Richards version, but don't know about the late 70s as there's probably the thick end of a decade between them age wise
 
Would be past the Richards peak but the five we took to the 1982 World Cup (none of them particularly young by then, so they would be in the mix in the late 70s):

Kevin Keegan
Trevor Francis
Paul Mariner
Peter Withe
Tony Woodcock
 
when we played in the park and someone missed a sitter we’d normally shout ‘Mariner’, and that was probably when at his peak.
 
Was "Savo" for us :icon_lol: And still is now with those I grew up with!
 
I never had an issue with Moxey he did not own the club, he ran the club under the instructions of SJH. He did a good job, effectively his running of the club from SJH, and Morgan made the club a saleable asset, with little or no debt.

If for instance we had lots of debt would Fosun
 
Was he better than those?

I do remember Francis in his very late career, still a good footballer. A stain of a manager though.
He was different, he most definately should have been in the squad more.

Better than Mariner, Pearson, Latchford.
Chivers, and Channon were totally different, chivers kore in the Doog mould but an outstanding footballer.
Mick Channon was more of a Cantona style of player but a fucking good one.
Clarke was the closest to Richard's but Richard's was a better poacher than Clarke, Richard's was quicker of 5 - 10 Yards

I would have played chivers, and Richard's, or Clarke bringing one on late in the game.
Channon never quite performed for England.

At the time we had some really silly footballers that never quite turned out for England

Worthington, Channon, Bowles all fine footballers in the Le Tissier / Hoddle/ Gazza mould as players for you younger ones
 
Would be past the Richards peak but the five we took to the 1982 World Cup (none of them particularly young by then, so they would be in the mix in the late 70s):

Kevin Keegan
Trevor Francis
Paul Mariner
Peter Withe
Tony Woodcock
Keegan
Francis
As Richard's was past his best
After that Richard's was still better than the rest
 
I never had an issue with Moxey he did not own the club, he ran the club under the instructions of SJH. He did a good job, effectively his running of the club from SJH, and Morgan made the club a saleable asset, with little or no debt.

If for instance we had lots of debt would Fosun

Moxey had the people skills of Robert Mugabe though. His utter disdain for talking to supporters was unreal to the extent he commissioned that "shut up and be happy" report.

I find it very telling that the likes of Phil Hayward and even the much maligned Thelwell saw and took opportunities when Wolves were at their highest point in decades but Moxey never once went anywhere in 16 years, successes or colossal failures. That's a bloke who was acutely aware of his vast limitations imo.
 
Moxey had the people skills of Robert Mugabe though. His utter disdain for talking to supporters was unreal to the extent he commissioned that "shut up and be happy" report.

I find it very telling that the likes of Phil Hayward and even the much maligned Thelwell saw and took opportunities when Wolves were at their highest point in decades but Moxey never once went anywhere in 16 years, successes or colossal failures. That's a bloke who was acutely aware of his vast limitations imo.

His trouble was he viewed us as customers not as Supporters.

He could not deal with Fans as he did not understand the ties supporters have with the club
 
When I was on the parliament back in the day Jez was extremely personable with me on a one-to-one basis. But that is all PR obviously. Inside he was probably seething. The one who really REALLY didn't like me there was Morgan when he attended and I asked the question about how the hell did you think it was a good decision to appoint Saunders. He gave me a look like he wanted me dead at that point.
 
7. Kevin Muscat

Kevin Vincent Muscat (born 7 August 1973) is an Australian soccer manager and former player. As a player, he represented the Australia national team at international level winning 46 caps and scoring 10 goals betwen 1994 and 2006.

After beginning his professional career in the Australian National Soccer League with Sunshine George Cross in 1989, Muscat played eight seasons in the United Kingdom with Crystal Palace, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Rangers and Millwall. He returned to Australia in 2005 to captain Melbourne Victory in the inaugural season of the A-league.

Muscat retired from professional football in March 2011 after Melbourne Victory's 2011 AFC Champions League campaign, citing his growing frustration at his inability to keep pace with the game. Muscat briefly rejoined his former club Sunshine George Cross for part of the 2011 Victorian State League Division 1 season.

During his international career, Muscat represented the Australia U-20 side at the 1991 FIFA World Youth Championship in Portugal and the 1993 FIFA World Youth Championship in Australia. He represented the Australia U-23 side at the 1996 Summer Olympics. After making his full international debut for Australia in September 1994 against Kuwait, Muscat represented the national side at the 1997 FIFA Confederations Cup, 2000 OFC Nations Cup, 2001 FIFA Confederations Cup and the 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup.

After several seasons as assistant coach, Muscat was appointed head coach at Melbourne Victory in October 2013. He has coached Victory to the 2014–15 A-League Premiership, the 2014–15 A-League Championship and success in the 2015 FFA Cup.

In 1996, Muscat was sent off in his first season in the UK in a match involving Crystal Palace and Norwich City after body checking Norwich player, Darren Eadie which then sparked a 21-man melee where punches were thrown. Two other players were also sent off in the incident.

Muscat was branded a "lowlife" and a "nobody" by ex-England striker Ian Wright, then of Nottingham Forest, in September 1999. Wright claimed he was about to shoot when he heard Dougie Freedman, Forest's other striker, shout "leave it". Wright stepped over the ball to allow Freedman to hit it, but instead Muscat (who had, according to Wright, merely impersonated Freedman) appeared to clear the ball.

Muscat was dubbed the "most hated man in football" by then Birmingham City player Martin Grainger in 2000 after a reckless tackle against international teammate, Stan Lazaridis. He seriously injured both Craig Bellamy and Christophe Dugarry, the latter in a friendly international between Australia and France in 2001 with a sliding tackle from behind.[21] The French manager Roger Lemerre dubbed the tackle "an act of brutality". It was speculated that Muscat's temperament was the reason he was never selected for inclusion in an Old Firm derby during his time at Rangers.

In March 2002, Muscat was sent off after just 9 minutes into a match against Grimsby Town for elbowing striker Michael Boulding. As Wolves went on to lose the match, Muscat was subsequently suspended for 3 matches following the incident.

In 2003, after only three weeks since signing for Millwall, Muscat was fined and reprimanded by Millwall after a match against Watford where he gave away a penalty and was sent off for stamping on Watford's Danny Webber. Millwall chief executive, Ken Brown, formally warned Muscat that he would be sacked if he did not "clean up his act." "Kevin's actions were totally unacceptable. We have made him aware that such behavior will not be tolerated. Any repeat of such a deliberate, unprovoked, off-the-ball incident will result in his instant dismissal."

In 2004, a lawsuit on Muscat brought by former Charlton Athletic player Matty Holmes resulted in a settlement of £250,000 plus costs in favour of Holmes, bringing the estimated settlement to around £750,000. Holmes had to have four operations on his leg following a tackle by Muscat in 1998, and there were initial fears that his leg might have to be amputated. The claim was settled at the High Court without any admission of liability. In a League Cup tie while at Millwall, he grabbed the throat of Liverpool striker Milan Baroš. Also in 2004, Iwan Roberts admitted he deliberately stamped on Muscat in a match against Norwich City in revenge for his attempt to injure Craig Bellamy in 1999. Roberts was subsequently fined and suspended by The Football Association for his comments.

In March later that year whilst playing for Millwall, Muscat was red carded and suspended for five games for a challenge from behind on Sheffield United player, Ashley Ward which ignited an on-field brawl that involved most players from both teams.

In December 2005, he was the first A-League player to appear before a FFA disciplinary hearing and was subsequently suspended for two matches for "violent conduct". At an A-league game in October 2006 Muscat clashed with then Adelaide United coach John Kosmina, knocking Kosmina from his chair while retrieving the ball. Kosmina responded by grabbing Muscat by the throat, an action for which Kosmina was suspended for four matches.

Muscat's dominant personality and aggressive style did win some admirers in the A-League, with former England international Terry Butcher stating "Every manager in the A-League would love to have Kevin, and I'm no exception".

In February 2009, Muscat "escaped" further sanction by the FFA for stamping on Adelaide United defender, Daniel Mullen, while challenging for the ball. Due to the referee seeing the incident during the match, as according to A-League protocol, the Match Review Panel had no authority to intervene any further.

In January 2010, Muscat was suspended for two games for elbowing Gold Coast United midfielder, Jason Culina, in an off the ball incident.

In October 2010, Manchester United winger Ashley Young recalled he was threatened by Muscat during his first professional match as an 18-year-old. "Kevin Muscat said he would break my legs if I went past him," said Young. Their meeting occurred as they were warming up for an encounter between Watford F.C. and Millwall back in September 2003, but Muscat was sent off for stamping on Watford's Danny Webber before Young came on as substitute for Watford.

In January 2011, Muscat was sent off for elbowing Adelaide United midfielder, Adam Hughes, in the face while following through on a challenge for the ball.

In his first match back from suspension, Muscat was then suspended for eight matches following a tackle on Melbourne Heart player Adrian Zahra in a Melbourne Derby. The tackle was widely condemned in Australia and around the world, with former Socceroo Mark Bosnich calling it a "disgrace".

In a professional career spanning 19 years from 1992 to 2011, Muscat received 123 yellow cards and 12 red cards.

In December 2013, the Spanish football website El Gol Digital named Muscat as football's dirtiest ever player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03I6nrikkBw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4S957NcNFg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIC9oCc9A2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhytfYBMKMw
 
A thug and a pretty shit player. Embarrassing that he ever played for us.
 
Muscat was branded a "lowlife" and a "nobody" by ex-England striker Ian Wright, then of Nottingham Forest, in September 1999. Wright claimed he was about to shoot when he heard Dougie Freedman, Forest's other striker, shout "leave it". Wright stepped over the ball to allow Freedman to hit it, but instead Muscat (who had, according to Wright, merely impersonated Freedman) appeared to clear the ball.

:icon_lol:

Hadn't heard that before! I liked Muscat - definitely one of those players you want in your team but hate playing against. Shame he spoiled it a bit with his red card against Grimsby but ultimately he was a very solid RB for us.

Am I right in thinking we got him as part of the deal for Jamie Smith?
 
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