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Jeremy Corbyn

And it is the biggest failing of the remain campaign that they have not addressed this fear.
 
tredman said:
What do you want to do Frank? It's roughly half and half EU / non-EU - what's the solution?
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I am sorry but I cannot answer that, it is far too late to gain back control of our borders, but that would be a start. And the sad thing is that the Conservative government have been just as bad, if not worse, than Labour were at controlling immigration.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
I am sorry but I cannot answer that, it is far too late to gain back control of our borders, but that would be a start. And the sad thing is that the Conservative government have been just as bad, if not worse, than Labour were at controlling immigration.
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Surely its not too late to take control of the borders - you just close them if that's your inclination?

Unless you mean you'd like to get rid of some/all the foreigners already here? That's a bit different.

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tredman said:
Surely its not too late to take control of the borders - you just close them if that's your inclination?

Unless you mean you'd like to get rid of some/all the foreigners already here? That's a bit different.

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I would certainly like to see all illegal immigrants leave the country.
 
tredman said:
Surely its not too late to take control of the borders - you just close them if that's your inclination?

Unless you mean you'd like to get rid of some/all the foreigners already here? That's a bit different.

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Believe me, I would really like to give you my views on immigration, but I know they would be frowned upon on here, so I will leave it at that.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Believe me, I would really like to give you my views on immigration, but I know they would be frowned upon on here, so I will leave it at that.
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Why? Unless they are based on race then they are as valid as everyone else.
 
A genuine question to anyone who might have answer, as I don't think I have seen it addressed, but it was touched upon above.

If we do leave, presumably citizens of EU countries lose their automatic right to live and work here. What then happens to those from EU countries who are already here? And what effect will any action have on things like, for example, the NHS ,which relies so heavily on migrant labour?

This seems a fundamental question for those wishing to leave to consider. Perhaps there is a straightforward answer that I have missed previously.
 
Those already here would continue to be allowed to live in the UK and use our free at the point of delivery services. As it would take 18 months to 2 years to break away my view is that you'd see net migration way higher than any other year in 2017.
 
I would assume they have 2 years to apply for a visa based on the points system and probably take out health insurance (as has also been muted). I would also think this gives the government time to fill in those gaps with a variety of training schemes paid for with the £billions saved.

Much like the Aussies do. I don't have much of a problem with that system and I think it is one of the few that could be implemented easily to ALL entering the UK not just from the EU.
 
Id say its unlikely. Deporting potentially millions of largely working age immigrants that are a net benefit would risk reciprocal policies abroad.

The economic effects of losing a million workers and gaining a million pensioners from Spain would be catastrophic.
 
Johnny75 said:
And it is the biggest failing of the remain campaign that they have not addressed this fear.
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I totally agree. I'm sick of my Facebook page being littered with 'our grandparents fought the nazis so let's take Britain back' or 'vote leave or we'll be under Sharia law by halloween' etc etc.

Plenty of perfectly good reasons to vote leave, but those aren't good reasons. And I somewhat doubt that the people posting them have their lives even slightly affected by immigration.
 
Immigration has not been out of control, it has been an intended consequence of political decisions.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
Immigration has not been out of control, it has been an intended consequence of political decisions.
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Net migration of 300K when they forecast 100K suggests they have made some incredibly bad political decisions so what are these?

I strongly advocate the freedom of people to live and work within the EU and as we are a richer nation it's a no brainer that'll people will come and work in the UK and quite rightly they should be treated no different to anybody else concerning access to public services and welfare.

How do we sustain these services long term as the population rises?

Is the answer to continually borrow when you spend more than you raise because I can't be convinced that is the answer, especially when the economy is in such a fragile state. In the past ten or fifteen years billions of pounds has been injected into the economy but we are standing still.
 
Johnny75 said:
The march to a United States of Europe?
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In theory a United States of Europe isn't necessarily a bad thing but you need a level playing field, a single currency and Europe wide minimum wage. No reason why you can't have a Europe wide health service or welfare. The answer lies in the production of product and services and who they are allocated to. A socio-capitalistic system where we call the shots and not the multi-nationals.
 
Governments, both Labour and Conservative, have said they would bring down the number of immigrants entering Britain. They have both failed, and if immigration was not out of control then why would Governments want to reduce it.
 
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