Jeremy Corbyn

[ROVERT47]

Edit: I think I was talking bollocks.

 

[arklowolf]

I don't think he ever intended to whip the party as it's quite a nuanced issue. Personally I think we have no business getting involved but Dave likes to act the big man quite a lot.

I agree that he didn't ever intend to whip the party because he knew that he couldn't survive if he tried it.
Having said that I'm not sure we should be getting involved either.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I respect Corbyn's ideals and I think he is genuinely a good person. However, as in many European countries at the the moment, the radical left are good at identifying problems, but not at solving them.

 

[visage]

Bombing sand isnt a solution.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Bombing sand isnt a solution.

Neither is burying your head in it.

 

[Lord Knows]

Refugees say Raqqa is a ruined city: IS cruelty and the threat of air strikes are the daily reality, and more bombs will not save them.
He said more bombing would only compound the misery."Any military intervention by the UK will not end the Assad gang, but will muddy the waters even further," he said. "My message is not to the UK government but to its people: my countrymen have been slaughtered and displaced on the back of foreign countries settling scores with each other. "I do not support any kind of intervention that does not reinstate stability and bring us back to our country, in addition to getting rid of Assad and IS."He said that Russian and French sorties had completely failed to hurt IS."The Russian air strikes are like a blind man that is striking out everywhere except for the areas where IS are," he said. "The Russian strikes are raining down on civilians."The French air strikes are reactionary, random, and not calculated despite the fact that no civilians were killed and the strikes managed to target IS bases."

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/black-hole-raqqa-387632912#sthash.b35SYPhp.2lhLiEmL

 

[visage]

Neither is burying your head in it.

So whats your solution?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Not to stand by and let our friends do all the dirty work. We should stop making friends and arming terrorists, to overthrow governments.

 

[visage]

What if your friends are making a mistake? Should you still help them?

 

[lemonjelly]

Because he caved. Badly, the poor guy.

Unlike osborne the saviour?

 

[Premier Quality]

Unlike osborne the saviour?

Well actually it would be Cameron in this instance, not Osborne - and he took the cabinet with him... Unlike Jezza.

 

[leedswolf]

Not to stand by and let our friends do all the dirty work. We should stop making friends and arming terrorists, to overthrow governments.

We are not standing by though, unless I imagined the drone strike stuff. Personally I can't really fathom out if our involvement would seriously impact upon the current efforts being carried out. France only cranked up their involvement as a knee jerk reaction to the Paris attacks.

There are far better ways to deal with this problem than running straight into ISIL's thinly veiled trap.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

We are not standing by though, unless I imagined the drone strike stuff. Personally I can't really fathom out if our involvement would seriously impact upon the current efforts being carried out. France only cranked up their involvement as a knee jerk reaction to the Paris attacks.

There are far better ways to deal with this problem than running straight into ISIL's thinly veiled trap.

What other ways?

 

[visage]

Cut off their funding and weapons, for a start. Unfortunately their funding and weapons come from Saudi Arabia, our so-called partners who Cameron has just nominated for a place on the UN's human rights panel.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

What other ways?

Do you think that bombing civilians will help?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I thought most of their funding came from revenue from captured oilfields, and money looted from banks in captured Iraqi towns.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Neither is burying your head in it.

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[Deleted Cyber]

Not to stand by and let our friends do all the dirty work. We should stop making friends and arming terrorists, to overthrow governments.

Time to either butt out or stand up. No more twinkle toes tippy toey crap. Sort the problem and help deal with it externally and in the UK

 

[arklowolf]

Do you think that bombing civilians will help?

Worked for corbyns mate Gerry Adams.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Worked for corbyns mate Gerry Adams.

Well that's ok then.

We'll keep dropping bombs on Syrian and Iraqi towns until
a : the insane people of IS don't want to go to heaven any more
or
b : everybody over there is dead
or
c : everybody left living over there, even the poor innocent bastards being terrorized on a daily basis by IS as we speak, hate us so much that they'll go to even further lengths to wage war on us. (at least this way we can drop some more bombs though)

You can't beat these fuckers into submission (see Palestine) and waging war on them from the air is self-defeating.

The only way to win is via troops on the ground and we'd be stupid to play into IS's hands on that one.

In my mind we should just let Assad sort them out.