Jeremy Corbyn

[FrankMunro-371]

I also respect TSB's view. But for those who want the Conservative Government out of office in 2020, then surely they need a strong Labour Party united behind a strong leader. And in my opinion, I am not sure any of the four candidates meet that criteria.

 

[croxdenabbey]

I shall be voting for Jeremy Corbyn. He is the only Socialist amongst the candidates for leadership. I want 'our' Labour Party back. I do not want a Labour Party that supports (unnecessary) austerity, has a carnal affair with bankers and big businesses and is 'Tory-lite' when it comes to policies. We need a real alternative to this evil and Jeremy will provide that.

 

[visage]

I also respect TSB's view. But for those who want the Conservative Government out of office in 2020, then surely they need a strong Labour Party united behind a strong leader. And in my opinion, I am not sure any of the four candidates meet that criteria.

There's no point getting rid of the Tories if you replace them with more of the same.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

There's no point getting rid of the Tories if you replace them with more of the same.

So what do Labour do then? If Corbyn is the leader they will not win the election. Surely Labour do not want to spend years and years in opposition?

 

[visage]

They can win under Corbyn. His policies are actually very popular with the electorate. Rail renationalisation, for example.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

They can win under Corbyn. His policies are actually very popular with the electorate. Rail renationalisation, for example.

Sorry but I must disagree. If Corbyn is leader you will end up with another SDP style situation. The party would be split in two. Also when was the last time that Labour won power under a left wing leader?

 

[visage]

If the blairites wish to leave then good riddance.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Since Attlee won the general election in 1945, only two Labour leaders have taken Labour from opposition to Government. They were Wilson and Blair. And both were to the right of the party, so I am sorry but I cannot quite understand why you think that Corbyn could do so.

 

[visage]

I dont know if he can - only time will tell.

But one thing I do thing that a political system that offers voters a choice between Tory and Tory-lite is failing the electorate. There should always be place at the table for a dissenting voice.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I dont know if he can - only time will tell.

But one thing I do thing that a political system that offers voters a choice between Tory and Tory-lite is failing the electorate. There should always be place at the table for a dissenting voice.

Fair comment. And while I do not agree with Corbyn's views, at least he has stuck to his principals. And whether he wins or not, I feel sure he will remain faithful to his ideals.

 

[Tony Towner]

The electorate only want Tory or Tory lite though. Blair was exactly that which is why he got in. For me, having a watered down centrist party is better than full blown Tory and what they can bring. The lack of an electable opposition will make their policies harder right and hit those that can't take it even harder.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The electorate only want Tory or Tory lite though.

Might not be the case once we reach 10 years of these jokers and their non-existent economics.

 

[visage]

Then the electorate need re-educating.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Do you politically savvy types on here think there will be a swell in Green Party voters should one of the centre-right Tory apologists become Labour leader?

If there was a representative voting system I'd say yes. As there isn't I'd hazard apathy will rule the day as the total votes Green and UKIP got in May brought into sharp focus how limited they are, especially if they are in safe seats.

 

[Tony Towner]

Kinnock couldn't win after 13 years of Tory 11 of which were Thatcher, Essex man / Worcester woman will only vote Labour if they feel they are voting for a Labour Party that represents them and that isn't hard(ish) left. Hardening the vote in already staunch Labour areas is pointless under FPTP. Corbyn actually represents my views closer than any of the other candidates, but the best way to ensure Tory policies aren't enforced is for them to not be in power, I recognise that as principled as it may be this won't happen under Corbyn. He won't win anyway because of second preference votes.

 

[Tony Towner]

Then the electorate need re-educating.

Who will do this then? The Sun have already rediscovered the term Loony Left

 

[Lord Knows]

This is what your up against, politically clueless.

Rick Bywater, a 38-year-old lab technician from Morley, West Yorkshire , said: “Everything about Jeremy Corbyn is negative.

"He just wants to control people and have his own way.

“He makes everyone around here very angry and he’s not very well liked because he’s not interested in doing anything for us.”

Pharmacy worker Paul Morris, 45, also from Morley , said: “I don’t agree with him – I don’t agree with anything that he says.

“It comes across that the Labour Party don’t really know what they’re doing.”

NHS worker Carol O’Brien, 56, from Leeds , said: “I have to be honest and say that I don’t know much about his policies but all I’ve heard is that he’s bad news.”

Dad-to-three Kelvin Ayr, 56, of Solihull, West Midlands, said: “I think it appears as if Jeremy Corbyn is going back too Far Left with Labour.

“I think that is how he has come across.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-what-public-think-6139518

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I don't think Labour can win in 2020 under any leader. The Tories will push through the boundary changes which disadvantage Labour and the chances of eating into SNP in Scotland to any great degree are slim. Even if the right wing of the Labour Party split away the outcome in 2020 is either another Tory majority or an anti-Tory coalition. I would expect a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour Party to be the biggest coalition party in such a scenario heavily supported by SNP with the Lib Dems and any ex-Labour turncoats fairly minor members of such a coalition.

Personally, I don't think there will be a huge breakaway from Labour - if they set up a new party they would face opposition from both Labour and the Lib Dems and given that most of those who would leave are the very same who are tarnished with Blair's legacy they would mount very little opposition. I think they would sit tight and look to external forces to moderate what they perceive to be left wing policies.

 

[Premier Quality]

Then the electorate need re-educating.

Damn that pesky democracy eh vis?

I like Corbyn personally, getting someone even more out of touch than ed milliband in looked a tough call but it looks like they might manage it - Come on Jezza!

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

Then the electorate need re-educating.

A tad Orwellian don't you think? If anything the electorate needs to think for itself. Better representation of the electorate in parliament might help. I conceed that as a tory voter last time.