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Jeremy Corbyn

I'm not concerned about what those with Tory sympathies try and discredit him with.
 
not really tory's is it?

"Let's be generous to John McDonnell. He's very inexperienced. He's had his fingers badly burnt" says a generous John Mann

Karim Palant, the head of policy for Ed Balls when he was shadow chancellor "A shadow chancellor’s fiscal stance is fundamental to credibility and trust. This kind of chaos less than a month into the job is the kind of blow even significant political figures struggle to recover from."

Chris Leslie, the former Shadow Chancellor and Chief Secretary to the Treasury, criticised Mr McDonnell by saying he "can't explain" why he would support Mr Osborne's stance only to later reject it.

Mike Gapes, the Labour MP for Ilford South, warned that there was "no clarity on economic policy and no credible leadership" in the party anymore. There is now no collective Shadow cabinet responsibility in our Party, no clarity on economic policy and no credible leadership.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...nells-U-turn-on-balancing-the-books-live.html
 
Doesn't augur particularly well that it's a particularly laughable piece of Tory policy - how can you commit to running a surplus no matter what the prevailing conditions or needs of the country are - and they've managed to balls up the argument against it.
 
My concern has always been, given that the Shadow Cabinet is made up predominatley of MP's that have never sought accountabllity or responsibility it would evntually end in tears, early in this 'new dawn' i've seen nothing to change my mind.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's someone else leading the Labour Party at the next election.
 
Jeremy Corbyn used his conference speech to urge David Cameron to "step in" and end Saudi prison contract. Today it happened, where Jeremy goes the Tories will follow.
 
Jolemai said:
Anyone watch/follow PMQs this time around?
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As he rose to his feet at his second PMQs as opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn received a comically lukewarm welcome from Labour MPs. But the session proved to be his best moment to date. As he did at his first outing, Corbyn started with a voter's question (from "Kelly" on tax credit cuts) but this time asked a follow-up. It was a smarter tactic, which immediately put David Cameron under greater pressure than last time (the PM gleefully told colleagues how easy he found the session). Having humanised the issue through Kelly, a single mother to a disabled child, Corbyn then reminded the PM that three million families were set to lose £1,800 a year. The segue from the particular to the general could prove to be a reliably effective tactic for him.

Corbyn went on to show that he isn't afraid to also deploy some old-style tactics."The Prime Minister's doing his best and I admire that," he quipped at one point. Having asked several follow-up questions, Corbyn returned to crowd-sourcing, revealing that he had received 3,500 on housing. The Tory chortling as he spoke was not a good look for the new "workers' party". Corbyn responded with his best teacher impression: "This might be funny to some..." After Cameron defended the government's housing policy, he gently gibed: "Can I bring the Prime Minister back to reality?" The "new politics", it turns out, might not be as new as thought - and Corbyn's performance was all the better for it.

There was no knock-out blow, and some Labour MPs fear their leader is simply incapable of landing one, but Corbyn's performance was an unambiguous improvement (though, oddly, he failed to note the government's U-turn on the Saudi prison contract, which he helped secure). As the Speaker, John Bercow, suggested at the end of the session, the length of Corbyn's questions means "we're making much slower progress than in the last parliament" (PMQs overran by eight minutes today). But the Labour leader had every reason to want the event to go on as long as possible. After a fraught week, he found himself on sturdier ground in the Commons.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/10/pmqs-review-jeremy-corbyns-best-moment-leader
 
ROVERT47 said:
My concern has always been, given that the Shadow Cabinet is made up predominatley of MP's that have never sought accountabllity or responsibility it would evntually end in tears, early in this 'new dawn' i've seen nothing to change my mind.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's someone else leading the Labour Party at the next election.
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To avoid having to trawl though eighteen pages, can I ask why? Also, given that Miliband was Blair-lite and the other three candidates aren't even up to that standard, do you honestly still feel Labour would be better off with them over Corbyn?
 
Jolemai said:
To avoid having to trawl though eighteen pages, can I ask why? Also, given that Miliband was Blair-lite and the other three candidates aren't even up to that standard, do you honestly still feel Labour would be better off with them over Corbyn?
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Yes and no really, electing Jeremy Corbyn has certainly motivated the rank and file, those that deserted for the fringe parties and believed the bollocks the Liberals were spouting before ths 2010 election have returned with a renewed enthusiasm and there's nothing at all wrong with that.
The thing is, when 2020 arrives the majority of the people who will elect the next Government will be golf playing, mail reading mondeo man and 'Worcester Woman' and they ain't gonna touch Jeremy with a barge pole.
So if you're a Labour supporter who enjoys being protester then that's fine but if you would like to see another Labour Govenment then 'Blair-Lite' it has to be.
Depressing for some i know.
 
Perhaps, but if Corbyn can pull back all those "lefties" and convince the others that their is a better way than the Conservative way, then it may well be closer than you think. I feel that for "New Labour" to work again, it's going to need someone as good as Blair was (as opposed to a parody of him) and given that there aren't any viable alternatives, now obviously isn't the time for it. Certainly it seems that the rank and file want a "left" Labour right now.
 
ROVERT47 said:
Yes and no really, electing Jeremy Corbyn has certainly motivated the rank and file, those that deserted for the fringe parties and believed the bollocks the Liberals were spouting before ths 2010 election have returned with a renewed enthusiasm and there's nothing at all wrong with that.
The thing is, when 2020 arrives the majority of the people who will elect the next Government will be golf playing, mail reading mondeo man and 'Worcester Woman' and they ain't gonna touch Jeremy with a barge pole.
So if you're a Labour supporter who enjoys being protester then that's fine but if you would like to see another Labour Govenment then 'Blair-Lite' it has to be.
Depressing for some i know.
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I do find this condescending attitude (enjoy being protesters) as tiresome as some of the Corbyn supports hate towards the right of the party. It is these two depressing and pointless attitudes that will undermine any attempt at success in 2020.
 
Regardless of whether Corbyn has any chance of people voting for him or not, I just want to see an oppostion that actually opposes the unpleasant policies that the government are determined to push through as Labour were looking like they were offering no alternative whatsoever. The Conservatives think they have a mandate to do whatever the hell they like without anybody pointing out the inaccuracies in most of their bullshit or pulling them up on the damage they are intent on causing to the most vulnerable members of our society.
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
Regardless of whether Corbyn has any chance of people voting for him or not, I just want to see an oppostion that actually opposes the unpleasant policies that the government are determined to push through as Labour were looking like they were offering no alternative whatsoever. The Conservatives think they have a mandate to do whatever the hell they like without anybody pointing out the inaccuracies in most of their bullshit or pulling them up on the damage they are intent on causing to the most vulnerable members of our society.
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Precisely. I can concern myself with whether I perceive Corbyn to be a credible PM in four years time or so. For now the Opposition opposing is a step in the right direction.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
I do find this condescending attitude (enjoy being protesters) as tiresome as some of the Corbyn supports hate towards the right of the party. It is these two depressing and pointless attitudes that will undermine any attempt at success in 2020.
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Apologies if that's the way it comes over, it wasn't meant to be, just an opinion, i guess we'll all find out in May 2020.

Speaking from a purely selfish point of view, i'm not bothered either way.
 
I think Corbyn will develop into the role of opposition leader. It was noticeable that he changed how he went about PMQs this week, and went for cameron a bit. Cameron will now be second guessing stuff a bit more - he's on more unfamiliar ground, so his life will be that bit more difficult.

I think Corbyn will pick some principled battles to fight. Some he'll lose, but the stance he'll take will be seen to be important, and will possibly engage more voters.
 
lemonjelly said:
I think Corbyn will develop into the role of opposition leader. It was noticeable that he changed how he went about PMQs this week, and went for cameron a bit. Cameron will now be second guessing stuff a bit more - he's on more unfamiliar ground, so his life will be that bit more difficult.

I think Corbyn will pick some principled battles to fight. Some he'll lose, but the stance he'll take will be seen to be important, and will possibly engage more voters.
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I think the Public Question was done to knock Dave off his stride. W1 - Just ask the questions, nothing else. W2 - Ask a public question, Dave thinks this is going to be a stroll again and then change of tactic to follow it up.

Also the playground of shit of laughing after he has asked the question from Matthew, really does the Tories no favours at all. Comes a across as a "a poor person wants answers, the little pleb"
 
It's a very laudable posdition, and one that i believe should happen, i.e oppostion to the European/world status quo, but it has as much chance of success as I have of winning the next world cup, with a hatrick, as centre forward of England.

Yes! a challenge to the current rich boys worldwide political agenda, but so left field, without the total backing of your own shadow cabinet???? never gonna happen.
 
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