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Jeremy Corbyn

ROVERT47 said:
The 'closed shop' was outlawed many years ago, if someone joins a Company now that has a trade union in operation they have to ask to join the union, surely anyone requesting to be a member of a trades union is a Labour supporter.
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Why do you say that? It is a complete non-sequitur. What about say, the NUS? Every student in the country is a labour supporter are they?
 
I'm not a fan of anything, political or otherwise, than automatically opts people into other things, the emphasis should always be on the individual to decide they want to be part of something rather than being asked to say no otherwise it's happening anyway.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Why do you say that? It is a complete non-sequitur. What about say, the NUS? Every student in the country is a labour supporter are they?
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I don't know what non-sequitar means, my point is that no one has to join a Union anymore, so if you don't want to support the Labour party or receive the benefits from belonging to a Union you don't join.
 
ROVERT47 said:
I don't know what non-sequitar means, my point is that no one has to join a Union anymore, so if you don't want to support the Labour party or receive the benefits from belonging to a Union you don't join.
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This is my biggest problem with the Unions, I always thought Unions were there to protect employees in companies/ industries not just to represent the Labour Party. It shouldn't matter what your political persuasion is.
 
Johnny75 said:
This is my biggest problem with the Unions, I always thought Unions were there to protect employees in companies/ industries not just to represent the Labour Party. It shouldn't matter what your political persuasion is.
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It's a good point, it shouldn't matter, on the other hand there are many people at the Company i work for that do not belong to the Union, whether that is because of their political persuasion i wouldn't know.
What i do know is that they always accept the benefits that have been negotiated by Union from the Company without complaint.
 
As far as I am concerned Unions are there to protect workers' rights. Quite why that automatically is being translated as "not liking labour should mean you don't get employee rights" is borderline scary.
 
ROVERT47 said:
It's a good point, it shouldn't matter, on the other hand there are many people at the Company i work for that do not belong to the Union, whether that is because of their political persuasion i wouldn't know.
What i do know is that they always accept the benefits that have been negotiated by Union from the Company without complaint.
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At Alliance Healthcare, approximately 50% of the those at the Hinckley service centre are in the union. Those not members of the union usually say it is a waste of time being a member because the union does nothing for them, and the company does as it wishes anyway.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
As far as I am concerned Unions are there to protect workers' rights. Quite why that automatically is being translated as "not liking labour should mean you don't get employee rights" is borderline scary.
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I'm happy to accept that as long as those who do not wish to have the protection of a Union accept that their rights may be limited.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
As far as I am concerned Unions are there to protect workers' rights. Quite why that automatically is being translated as "not liking labour should mean you don't get employee rights" is borderline scary.
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I agree with this. Conversely i think if the Unions were apolitical I think more people would join them. Just representing workers would probably get more workers joining them and the greater funding that goes with it, I do think some workers can't be bothered with/ are scared of the politics side of it and don't want to join a political organisation.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
But what the hell has that to do with the bloody labour party?
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Back to the opt in/opt out argument i suppose, as far as i'm aware the opt out option has always been there but people can't be arsed to do it, hence the decision to turn it into an opt in.
 
The point is trev that you are advocating the following scenario. Employee A and Employee B both work for the same company. Both want their rights protected and there is a Union. Both want to opt in but B is actually a Conservative voter so doesn't want his levy going to the labour party so he doesn't join. In your world trev Employee B would lose all his protection because he wasn't a labour supporter. Sorry but that is beyond silly and beyond what unions are there for.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
The point is trev that you are advocating the following scenario. Employee A and Employee B both work for the same company. Both want their rights protected and there is a Union. Both want to opt in but B is actually a Conservative voter so doesn't want his levy going to the labour party so he doesn't join. In your world trev Employee B would lose all his protection because he wasn't a labour supporter. Sorry but that is beyond silly and beyond what unions are there for.
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You can be a member of a Union and opt out of paying the Labour party levy at the moment if you so wish.


The trade union bill, put forward by the business secretary, Sajid Javid, will create a shift from a current system whereby union members have to contract out from paying the political levy to one in which they have to opt in. The change, from a system of inertia to one in which members actively choose to pay, is likely to lead to a big drop in income to the unions
 
I think opting in rather than out is a much better approach. I wonder how many people only remain as Labour members or pay the money because they don't feel upto confronting their Union rep and opting out? If you make it opt in rather than opt out then you remove all pressure to become a Labour member or pay the money and only have people doing so who want to do so for the right reasons.
 
I don't have a problem personally about having to opt in and i can see that my earlier agument that why would anyone join a union if they don't support the labour party is flawed so i withdraw that.
i still hold with the argument that apathy has always been the reason for non labour supporting union members refusing to opt out of the political levy and the Govenment are about to exploit that apathy.
 
Just cancels out the years of Labour exploiting it previously then.
 
It may not be an issue for much longer anyway, if anyone other than Jeremy Corbyn, although Andy Burnham may just swing it, get elected as leader there's every likelihood that the Unions will withdraw their funding.
 
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