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Jeremy Corbyn

Corbyn will hold on until he's sure of having a successor from the left of the party. I think that's in the bag now though tbh - nobody from the right of the party has a prayer of winning amongst the membership. If he loses both by-elections he will be under huge pressure. A couple of mates of mine voted for him twice but have left the party in the past fortnight and I'm wobbling. Trouble is there needs to be a credible alternative i.e not Owen Smith.
 
Clive Lewis, Dan Jarvis, Keir Starmer, any of those would do me.
 
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Clive Lewis? Definitely. No issue with Starmer or Jarvis either although Jarvis said he wasn't interested in 2015.

I am a huge fan of Corbyn as a human being and agree with 90% of what he stands (stood?) for but I've seen very little in the way of policy and less still on holding the govt to account. The victory over Smith was a great opportunity to kick on but it hasn't been taken. I just don't think he likes doing the job to be quite honest.
 
Templeton Peck said:
Corbyn will hold on until he's sure of having a successor from the left of the party. I think that's in the bag now though tbh - nobody from the right of the party has a prayer of winning amongst the membership. If he loses both by-elections he will be under huge pressure. A couple of mates of mine voted for him twice but have left the party in the past fortnight and I'm wobbling. Trouble is there needs to be a credible alternative i.e not Owen Smith.
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Will either need a rule change or a candidate from the left who the right are willing to nominate.
 
Templeton Peck said:
Clive Lewis? Definitely. No issue with Starmer or Jarvis either although Jarvis said he wasn't interested in 2015.

I am a huge fan of Corbyn as a human being and agree with 90% of what he stands (stood?) for but I've seen very little in the way of policy and less still on holding the govt to account. The victory over Smith was a great opportunity to kick on but it hasn't been taken. I just don't think he likes doing the job to be quite honest.
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There has also been no change in how the Labour Party relates to its members. Over 500,000 of us and still seen as little more than leaflet deliverers.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
There has also been no change in how the Labour Party relates to its members. Over 500,000 of us and still seen as little more than leaflet deliverers.
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A real shame. You expect Blair/Brown to take them for granted but I expected more from Corbyn's Labour.
 
Corbyn's supporters have long argued that they actually do ok in elections. They won a few seats back in the local elections and won the London Mayor election. Losing either by-election, especially Stoke, would instantly remove that already weak argument. I stated on the day Hunt resigned that a Labour loss could be the step back that is required to enable Labour to move forwards. The sooner it happens the better as it is almost impossible to see him doing anything than lead them to defeat at the next General Election. I like to think a very narrow victory will also have the same effect as the thought of Nuttall getting exposure in the House of Commons is beyond depressing.

So long as he remains May and co have a free reign to do what they want knowing that however toxic they become they will get re-elected. I'm sure if any of the names mentioned above became leader the Tories would immediately have one eye on how far they can push things, be it Brexit, NHS, social care or anything else they touch.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Toxic? Really?
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I guess it depends on your point of view but their treatment of disabled, headlong rush to blame immigrants for most of the ills that befall us and general incompetence strike me as toxic. I could add the running down of the NHS, crisis in social care, education elitism, raising the ISA limit to £20k...you get my drift!
 
Wilf Wolf said:
I guess it depends on your point of view but their treatment of disabled, headlong rush to blame immigrants for most of the ills that befall us and general incompetence strike me as toxic. I could add the running down of the NHS, crisis in social care, education elitism, raising the ISA limit to £20k...you get my drift!
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My wife is disabled and cannot walk more than a few yards. Her treatment has been compassionate and understanding. And given my current circumstances we are very grateful for that.
 
A question for you oldens or those who have been interest in politics for longer than a few years, is it usually a recession that changes a party?
 
Not necessarily, the Tories changed tack massively under all of Hague, IDS and Howard and the economy was booming for all that time. Of course all those iterations of the Tories were just a joke, they were possibly less relevant and less of a challenge than Labour are now.

D-Cam got them back to a more populist agenda and lucked out with the financial crash - after he'd backed all of Labour's spending plans up to that point.

They've gone back further right since they came to power and they haven't finished that journey yet.
 
Sorry, I meant when a different party takes over as government.
 
No cos Labour won in 97 when things has cleared up although tbf Major won in 92 before things got really bad. It took 3 years or so for the recession to ease off but by then everybody was sick to death with the Tories anyway.
 
79 - before my time but recession didn't really help Labour's cause. Tbf I don't think anyone had conventional answers right through the 70s and Thatcher then took a vastly radical and different approach (I could use less complimentary adjectives here)

97 - we had had a recession under Major but it was long since over by the time of the GE. People were just fed up of the Tories by this point and there was massive buzz around Blair

10 - Brown was never going to survive the crash, didn't articulate the causes or big up his own reaction to it well enough either. Should have been a slam dunk for D-Cam but he muffed it. Lucky boy.

No way by rights the Tories should have won in 2015 but fuck knows how people's minds work.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
My wife is disabled and cannot walk more than a few yards. Her treatment has been compassionate and understanding. And given my current circumstances we are very grateful for that.
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Over 50% of the people described as being in poverty are either disabled or caring for a disabled person. Obviously the system hasn't fallen apart completely as your experience shows but targeting cuts at the disabled doesn't strike me as the best place to start.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
79 - before my time but recession didn't really help Labour's cause. Tbf I don't think anyone had conventional answers right through the 70s and Thatcher then took a vastly radical and different approach (I could use less complimentary adjectives here)

97 - we had had a recession under Major but it was long since over by the time of the GE. People were just fed up of the Tories by this point and there was massive buzz around Blair

10 - Brown was never going to survive the crash, didn't articulate the causes or big up his own reaction to it well enough either. Should have been a slam dunk for D-Cam but he muffed it. Lucky boy.

No way by rights the Tories should have won in 2015 but fuck knows how people's minds work.
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In the late 70's the unions thought that they ran the country, and the union barons spent most of their time enjoying tea and sandwiches with Sunny Jim at 10 Downing Street. Whatever faults people have with the current government, it is a vast improvement on the unions trying to run the country. And Mrs Thatcher promised to bring an end to the union domination, and she did so.
 
Aye, now we have Murdoch & Dacre having Caviar and Champagne at no 10 running the country. Infinitely better.
 
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