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Israel-Palestine

prawnking said:
I know AS is a joke to Corbynites, but look up holocaust inversion; you desperately need educating. You can make plenty of points without bringing Nazi's into it
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Ah, insulting again and telling me I'm stupid. You're good at this.

If seeing similarities between things 2 people have said means I'm stupid, then fine.
 
Being uneducated and being stupid aren't the same thing.

Astounded that Hitler quote is still unmoderated on this thread
 
I think it's pretty terrifying that you think we should just ignore anything Hitler ever said and not try and learn from it?

Which is all I was trying to do when I recognised the similarities with what BN had said.

Killing people in the name of God is exactly how people throughout history have justified their crimes.

Hitler, Hamas, The Talliban, ISIS, Bush and now BN.

Please explain why it's racist to point that out?
 
It's not my job to educate you on anti-semitism, I've already pointed you in two directions.

It's your job to know about it, recognise it and its tropes, and avoid them, as you would any other form of discrimination.

And if you are ignorant about such matters (wilfully or otherwise), you shouldn't be running your mouth off on threads like this
 
prawnking said:
Astounded that Hitler quote is still unmoderated on this thread
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Personally, the quote was used to highlight something - the speech of this person is similar to this one - rather than here is opinion I agree with and would like to share and therefore take this as being my belief. So that's why I haven't touched it. There are others in the Mod team who may think differently and if they do, they will remove it (also remember all the mod team *pretend* to have work to do in the day so cannot respond instantly)

TBH this whole subject melts my brain. I am not clued up enough to hold a strong opinion, all I can see is thousands of innocent people losing their lives.
 
Kenny said:
TBH this whole subject melts my brain. I am not clued up enough to hold a strong opinion, all I can see is thousands of innocent people losing their lives.
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This is me. I don't know if anyone is right/wrong but lots of people are dying
 
Kenny said:
here is opinion I agree with and would like to share and therefore take this as being my belief.
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I didn't accuse EP of holding the same opinion or belief as Hitler, I quite clearly called him out on using an anti-semitic trope, which I already explained in two separate messages. Comparing contemporary Israel to Nazi's, Holocaust inversion, anyone can google this stuff if they're unaware.

I mean, this is not obscure stuff. The political party that will likely be in government next winter had untold problems with this kind of shit.

If it was a discriminatory slur against another group in society you can bet there would have been decisive action, and if there aren't mods who are sensitive to such issues then maybe we shouldn't have an thread on this topic
 
I did make the comparison with other groups in post #523

Justifying death in the name of God is heinous, whoever does it.
 
Surely the answer is for Netanyahu to not use rhetoric so closely aligned with that ideology?

Seems a simple ask, and yet...
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
I did make the comparison with other groups in post #523

Justifying death in the name of God is heinous, whoever does it.
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You went straight for Hitler, with all of the context to the Jewish people that brings, straight away, unwarranted and unprovoked, you only brought the others into it two hours later, you're disingenuous too
 
prawnking said:
You went straight for Hitler, with all of the context to the Jewish people that brings, straight away, unwarranted and unprovoked, you only brought the others into it two hours later, you're disingenuous too
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Well surely with that in mind BN should know better than anyone how closely aligned with AH's language his speech was?
 
Alan said:
Surely the answer is for Netanyahu to not use rhetoric so closely aligned with that ideology?

Seems a simple ask, and yet...
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Mind-blowing, this is. You should be embarrassed at this pathetic justification, especially as one of the forum's supposed biggest liberals

Nazism isn't aligned with religious dogma, if anything it's always brought up in common discussion as an atheist ideology (not strictly true)

The answer is for EP not to reach for crass anti-semitic shite at the first opportunity, something his particular part of the political spectrum has plenty of previous for
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Well surely with that in mind BN should know better than anyone how closely aligned with AH's language his speech was?
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Yeah, it's the Jew's fault you're spouting anti-semitic shite.

Thank goodness your part of the political spectrum is as far away from power as ever. Diseased, arrogant and ignorant
 
prawnking said:
Mind-blowing, this is. You should be embarrassed at this pathetic justification, especially as one of the forum's supposed biggest liberals

Nazism isn't aligned with religious dogma, if anything it's always brought up in common discussion as an atheist ideology (not strictly true)

The answer is for EP not to reach for crass anti-semitic shite at the first opportunity, something his particular part of the political spectrum has plenty of previous for
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*checks brain*

Nope, even with my crippling anxiety, I don't feel like holding up political leaders for espousing fascist rhetoric is something to be ashamed of. Netanyahu doesn't get a pass.
 
prawnking said:
The answer is for EP not to reach for crass anti-semitic shite at the first opportunity, something his particular part of the political spectrum has plenty of previous for
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For god's sake (!) I read/watched BN's speech and it immediately made me think of GCSE history and the various quotes from Hitler that we studied.

Thats where the comparison came from, I make no apology for that at all. Its an entirely fair comparison. Those speeches align, they're dangerous and frightening and as I said it's the kind of rhetoric that has justified murder for centuries.

Just shutting down the point and shouting "anti-semite, anti-semite", rather than engaging with the point actually comes from your own prejudices where you have just labelled me as racist ages ago, because I wanted Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister a few years ago.
 
Alan said:
*checks brain*

Nope, even with my crippling anxiety, I don't feel like holding up political leaders for espousing fascist rhetoric is something to be ashamed of. Netanyahu doesn't get a pass.
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You don't need to 'check your brain', you could just check the IHRA working definition of anti-semitism

https://holocaustremembrance.com/re...ions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

'Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis'

Get it yet?

Re: Netanyahu, there are plenty of fascist regimes and leaders you could make reference too if you so wished, you don't go straight for fucking Hitler and the Nazi's when you're talking about Jewish people FFS
 
I was checking my brain to see if I felt guilty about my opinion that Netanyahu is inviting these comparisons by using fascist rhetoric. I don't.

You'll note I've not drawn a line between Israeli policy and the Nazis.
 
prawnking said:
You don't need to 'check your brain', you could just check the IHRA working definition of anti-semitism

https://holocaustremembrance.com/re...ions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

'Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis'

Get it yet?

Re: Netanyahu, there are plenty of fascist regimes and leaders you could make reference too if you so wished, you don't go straight for fucking Hitler and the Nazi's when you're talking about Jewish people FFS
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I do if that is exactly the quote that I am drawing a similarity with.

Do you think that IHRA definition works in practice?

Humour me for a moment, if for example BN directly quoted Hitler word for word, it'd be AS for a journalist (or me) to point out that he'd done that.

Do you think that is right?
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
For god's sake (!) I read/watched BN's speech and it immediately made me think of GCSE history and the various quotes from Hitler that we studied.

Thats where the comparison came from, I make no apology for that at all. Its an entirely fair comparison. Those speeches align, they're dangerous and frightening and as I said it's the kind of rhetoric that has justified murder for centuries.

Just shutting down the point and shouting "anti-semite, anti-semite", rather than engaging with the point actually comes from your own prejudices where you have just labelled me as racist ages ago, because I wanted Jeremy Corbyn to
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The point is repellant so I was never going to engage with it. I'd already engaged with the Netanyahu speech and attempted a discussion with you, before you went off like a 15 year old edgelord.

Corbynism is directly relevant because they've been proven to be tone deaf towards antisemitism and its tropes, and you're the same
 
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