How long has Corbyn got left?

[Deutsch Wolf]

Couldn't agree with McDonnell's economic proposals in 2017. Didn't agree with the Brexit stance after that.

Will never vote for a party led by Nandy for the same reason.

 

[leedswolf]

Getting rid of PFIs is fundamental to Labour ideology, which is ironic considering the Blair/Brown years.

 

[Tony Towner]

This discussion always ends at the same conclusion. You can have a 'red Tory' in Government or a full blown blue one and be in opposition with a principled stance. Option 1 every time for me, even more so when the Conservative option alternative as vile as we have now.

Personally, I believe Starmer will prove to be a lot further to the right than he is currently portraying himself if he gets the leadership.

 

[leedswolf]

Why option 1? We've had non 'Red Tory' Labour party governments which have delivered a lot of good policies for health, education, worker's rights, equality, social justice, public services, etc.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

When though Phil? I guess under Wilson (and of course Attlee), which is a long time ago now.

This vile lot in power should be a great opportunity for Labour to seize a ton of centre ground back over the life of this parliament and then hopefully triumph. Staying too far left and polarising politics is going to really damage the chances of achieving that.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Labour have only had five PMs ever. MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Brown.

Odd to shun the one who was the best.

 

[leedswolf]

Labour have only had five PMs ever. MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Brown.

Odd to shun the one who was the best.

Best in what way? Attlee and Wilson along with Callaghan (you missed him) all followed Labour ideology.

 

[leedswolf]

When though Phil? I guess under Wilson (and of course Attlee), which is a long time ago now.

This vile lot in power should be a great opportunity for Labour to seize a ton of centre ground back over the life of this parliament and then hopefully triumph. Staying too far left and polarising politics is going to really damage the chances of achieving that.

When doesn't matter though. The 2 principles that the electorate hold dear are universal education and health care. These were introduced by whom? Undermined by whom?

If Labour ideology isn't vogue any more then the party will follow a natural course. Other versions may be born and I'm happy with that. I will never compromise my ideology for popularism and slogans.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Best in what way? Attlee and Wilson along with Callaghan (you missed him) all followed Labour ideology.

Yes I did miss him...

Well, most successful. Three successive GEs and general prosperity during his reign, I don't think anyone else has that on their CV.

I don't necessarily want virtuous. I want the Tory bastards out.

 

[Tony Towner]

Why option 1? We've had non 'Red Tory' Labour party governments which have delivered a lot of good policies for health, education, worker's rights, equality, social justice, public services, etc.

Because it's been over 45 years since a none Blair Labour Government was elected. If you voted for them then, you'll be a pensioner by the time of the next one

I just can't see another traditional Labour one being elected in a long time. Fundamentally the nation is too selfish and/or easily manipulated to do so now.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You have places like Redcar and Dudley voting for Boris Johnson. It's mental.

I'm not normally short for words but I struggle to adequately express how much I despise that man. So I'll sell a tiny bit of my soul to see him turfed out.

 

[leedswolf]

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[leedswolf]

Because it's been over 45 years since a none Blair Labour Government was elected. If you voted for them then, you'll be a pensioner by the time of the next one

I just can't see another traditional Labour one being elected in a long time. Fundamentally the nation is too selfish and/or easily manipulated to do so now.

I am aware of the timeline. So be it. I lost, I'll get over it.

 

[leedswolf]

Yes I did miss him...

Well, most successful. Three successive GEs and general prosperity during his reign, I don't think anyone else has that on their CV.

I don't necessarily want virtuous. I want the Tory bastards out.

Like I've stated before (and would continue to do so) my version of the Labour party that I joined and was an activist (before Blair joined btw) is different to the later (90s) interpretation.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Like I've stated before (and would continue to do so) my version of the Labour party that I joined and was an activist (before Blair joined btw) is different to the later (90s) interpretation.

And I've no problem with that mate, we're broadly speaking on the same page.

But I want them in government. And it ain't me and you they need to convince. Preaching to the choir only gets you so far.

 

[Sniffer]

I am aware of the timeline. So be it. I lost, I'll get over it.

Lucky for you. Millions are suffering because the Labour membership are looking for a left wing government that the majority of the country can’t stomach.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

2019's election was more that people who think they "won" in 2016 wanted their "victory" to be endorsed. Even though it'll fuck them over.

 

[leedswolf]

Lucky for you. Millions are suffering because the Labour membership are looking for a left wing government that the majority of the country can’t stomach.

So let them vote for a more 'palatable' alternative then. Who might that be? Why should I compromise my ideology?

 

[White Wolf]

It depends on what you believe underpins the Labour Party. Personally I don't get non-Labour supporters telling me what the Labour Party should do. If they follow this centrist mantra, they aren't the 'Labour' party that I support or indeed have been an active member.

It's in the nation's interest to have a strong and competent Opposition rather than what we have been treated to since 2015 (unless you've been a diehard govt supporter in that time anyway). That's a silly notion to hold - regardless I am a Labour supporter so doesn't even apply to me. Simply do not think Labour will win following the Corbyn path, and I think a centrist Labour government will be far better for the country.

 

[Sniffer]

So let them vote for a more 'palatable' alternative then. Who might that be? Why should I compromise my ideology?

I’m not asking you to. My vote is already cast and I’m hoping that whoever wins can appeal to the many and not the few.