General Wolves News

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Well in my work life a PIR is a presence detector....

Anyway, It doesn't matter whether Hayward, Morgan or Steve Bull himself was in charge of the club, i am of the opinion that not having all of the ground open for the first game of the season is a fuck up, I'm surprised it's butt hurting so many people to say so, particularly when the club themselves say that those issues were identified ages ago.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Well in my work life a PIR is a presence detector....

Anyway, It doesn't matter whether Hayward, Morgan or Steve Bull himself was in charge of the club, i am of the opinion that not having all of the ground open for the first game of the season is a fuck up, I'm surprised it's butt hurting so many people to say so, particularly when the club themselves say that those issues were identified ages ago.

Its not Butt hurt, it's looking at someone blaming someone without the full knowledge.

It may well be a monumental fuck up, and someone dropped the ball.

BUT NOT ONE OF US KNOWS.

So too use it to lambast the club and management says more about you than it does about the club.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Yeah, maybe it wasn't the Blues owners fault that half their ground was closed, i mean we don't know the full picture do we......

 

[AndyWolves]

Its not Butt hurt, it's looking at someone blaming someone without the full knowledge.

It may well be a monumental fuck up, and someone dropped the ball.

BUT NOT ONE OF US KNOWS.

So too use it to lambast the club and management says more about you than it does about the club.

Whose fault is it then if it's not the club?

 

[PuntsWolf]

I’m finding this all bizarre.

It’s a fuck up as something isn’t going to be open that should be open. And they’re hoping they’re going to have it fixed in only 6 weeks!

Regardless of mitigating circumstances, obstacles, Covid, brexit, whatever. It’s a fuck up

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm not going to get involved in the whys and wherefores. All I will say is it's not a good look after a Summer with much talk of revenue maximisation.

 

[The Bear]

He clearly said in the statement that it passed all relevant tests until very recently. So those old issues from the end of last season would already have been fixed, and this is something new that's been spotted late in the day.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

It' simple really, it's roughly 12 weeks since last league game and 1st league game.

None of us know the timeline, so none of us know if its a fuck up.
Lets say
May 23rd last match
May 24th noticed issues contacted contractors. Unlikely they will be in to check next day, lets say it take 3 or 4 days to get someone in.
Lets say then they have to go away and source parts etc.

Contact Wolves with price and estimate
11 weeks till start of the season.
Lead time for parts 5 weeks
Job is going to take 7 weeks

Boom no one's fault not a fuck up, just typical job taking time to be repaired.

I have no idea and neither does anyone else, but it's costing Wolves in Money and PR, its not difficult to assune they woukd have done everything possible to be ope for the Spurs game, especially as its almost guranteed to be a sell out,
1st home match with Capacity crowd in 2 years
1st Home Match new Manager
Nuno's return

To just sit and screach Club has Fucked up with fuck all Knowledge about the issue is bollocks.

There are things to lambast the club about, this is not one of them. Your just using this to prove your theory that Fosun are not good.

Sir Jack was wonderful 1 thing went wrong and the fans got on his back
Morgan was wonderful, then he became the Scouse Mafia, in it for himself
Then Fosun were wonderful now they are wankers ripping the club apart, so everything they do will be jumped on irrespective of their motive, or wether its their fault or not.
What you going you do hound them out the club like we did Morgan and to a lesser extent SJH?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He clearly said in the statement that it passed all relevant tests until very recently. So those old issues from the end of last season would already have been fixed, and this is something new that's been spotted late in the day.

And yet in the statement on the website it says that they identified issues at the end of the 20/21 season.

"After its use at the last game of the 2020/21 season the Graham Hughes Stand underwent a detailed structural inspection which highlighted a number of issues that needed to be addressed. As a result the stand is undergoing necessary remedial work an will be unavailable for both fixtures."

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It' simple really, it's roughly 12 weeks since last league game and 1st league game.

None of us know the timeline, so none of us know if its a fuck up.
Lets say
May 23rd last match
May 24th noticed issues contacted contractors. Unlikely they will be in to check next day, lets say it take 3 or 4 days to get someone in.
Lets say then they have to go away and source parts etc.

Contact Wolves with price and estimate
11 weeks till start of the season.
Lead time for parts 5 weeks
Job is going to take 7 weeks

Boom no one's fault not a fuck up, just typical job taking time to be repaired.

I have no idea and neither does anyone else, but it's costing Wolves in Money and PR, its not difficult to assune they woukd have done everything possible to be ope for the Spurs game, especially as its almost guranteed to be a sell out,
1st home match with Capacity crowd in 2 years
1st Home Match new Manager
Nuno's return

To just sit and screach Club has Fucked up with fuck all Knowledge about the issue is bollocks.

There are things to lambast the club about, this is not one of them. Your just using this to prove your theory that Fosun are not good.

Sir Jack was wonderful 1 thing went wrong and the fans got on his back
Morgan was wonderful, then he became the Scouse Mafia, in it for himself
Then Fosun were wonderful now they are wankers ripping the club apart, so everything they do will be jumped on irrespective of their motive, or wether its their fault or not.
What you going you do hound them out the club like we did Morgan and to a lesser extent SJH?

This is hilarious.

I'm not sure how powerful you think I am, but me thinking it's tin pot to not have the ground fully open for our first competitive game without restrictions is hardly "hounding the owners out" is it, i'm sure people within the club are pissed off with whoever allowed this to happen too.

What's all the stuff I've put in bold about? Because it's certainly isn't/wasn't my opinion.

As i said, Blues have have a couple of their stands shut, and many of our fans (and their own) take the piss out of them for it, no one makes excuses for them because ultimately it's the owners of the club who are responsible for things like this, there's no reason to be so defensive.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

This is hilarious.

I'm not sure how powerful you think I am, but me thinking it's tin pot to not have the ground fully open for our first competitive game without restrictions is hardly "hounding the owners out" is it, i'm sure people within the club are pissed off with whoever allowed this to happen too.

What's all the stuff I've put in bold about? Because it's certainly isn't/wasn't my opinion.

As i said, Blues have have a couple of their stands shut, and many of our fans (and their own) take the piss out of them for it, no one makes excuses for them because ultimately it's the owners of the club who are responsible for things like this, there's no reason to be so defensive.

It really is Simple, you dont have a fucking clue around timelines, conversations with contractors, lead times.

Here is a question your boss gives you a job that will take 5 weeks to complete, can he the sack you and call you a Clown if its not completed after a week because some numpty who had no clue about the level of work involved told him it should be done within 2 weeks?

Have you managed projects?
Have you been involved in estimating jobs?

What makes you qualified to comment on an organisations supposed failure to hit a specific date?

These decisions are not taken lightly, and someone has had to go in and sit infront of Jeff and tell him it wont be ready for the Spurs game, trust me that is not something the individual will not have enjoyed, its possibly second only to calling someone you like in and letting them go the worst conversation you will have in your work life.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It’s a temporary stand made of scaffolding. It’s hardly the Sistine Chapel. May to August would be plenty of time to rebuild the whole thing, let alone carry out remedial stuff.

Whoever is at fault here is by the by. The fact is for two of the biggest draw fixtures of the season the number of tickets available to members has been cut by almost 20%. That’s not good.

 

[AndyWolves]

If I need my car in a month's time and i get it MOTd the day before.

When it fails it isn't something that's completely outside of my control.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

It’s a temporary stand made of scaffolding. It’s hardly the Sistine Chapel. May to August would be plenty of time to rebuild the whole thing, let alone carry out remedial stuff.

Whoever is at fault here is by the by. The fact is for two of the biggest draw fixtures of the season the number of tickets available to members has been cut by almost 20%. That’s not good.

Thats the point it may be no ones fault.

I have had to have this conversation thats why I am arguing the point so strongly.

Its horrible not one of us knows what the issue is, we are all agreed its not good to have a reduced capacity, and I would hazard a guess the club have done everything possible to avoid this, it coukd be soneone did make a mistake I DON'T FUCKING KNOW.

But lets not start shouting clowns useless when in actual fact we dont know 1/10 of the information required to dexide whats happened.
I feel really sorry for the Stadium manager, I really do he will not have wanted this, and its him the responsibility lies with. Again i have been in the middle of the Med get back called in the office and bollocked because my team fucked up, and my boss said Holiday or not I am responsible.

To watch people who know fuck all calling him a Clown, grinds my fucking gears

 

[AndyWolves]

Thats the point it may be no ones fault.

I have had to have this conversation thats why I am arguing the point so strongly.

Its horrible not one of us knows what the issue is, we are all agreed its not good to have a reduced capacity, and I would hazard a guess the club have done everything possible to avoid this, it coukd be soneone did make a mistake I DON'T FUCKING KNOW.

But lets not start shouting clowns useless when in actual fact we dont know 1/10 of the information required to dexide whats happened.
I feel really sorry for the Stadium manager, I really do he will not have wanted this, and its him the responsibility lies with. Again i have been in the middle of the Med get back called in the office and bollocked because my team fucked up, and my boss said Holiday or not I am responsible.

To watch people who know fuck all calling him a Clown, grinds my fucking gears

"I feel really sorry for the Stadium manager, I really do he will not have wanted this, and its him the responsibility lies with."

There you go

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You continually say we don't know what's happened (even though we do) yet you automatically feel sorry for the stadium manager?

If I need my car in a month's time and i get it MOTd the day before.

When it fails it isn't something that's completely outside of my control.

Yep, i made a clunkier analogy a couple of pages back.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

Have you managed projects?
Have you been involved in estimating jobs?

Yes for the past 20 years - and yes it is a balls up from the club by which ever yardstick you choose to measure it.

The club are only too aware that it is, they have just put out some withering press in an attempt to deflect external attention away from themselves.

It hasn't fundamentally changed my position on Fosun, I am well aware that these things do occur, it does indicate that the management structure is perhaps not as strong as it should be, or there are people who are not in the right positions.

I am also pretty confident that Fosun will have enough business acumen to appreciate this

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Have you managed projects?
Have you been involved in estimating jobs?

Yes, I'm a building services engineer.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

You continually say we don't know what's happened (even though we do) yet you automatically feel sorry for the stadium manager?

Yep, i made a clunkier analogy a couple of pages back.

You dont know what has happened.
Yes i feel sorry for him, and yes it is his responsibility, does not mean its his fault.
I feel sorry for him
1. He had to tell Jeff
2. He will have idiots blaming him and the club without knowing the reasons.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Yes for the past 20 years - and yes it is a balls up from the club by which ever yardstick you choose to measure it.

The club are only too aware that it is, they have just put out some withering press in an attempt to deflect external attention away from themselves.

It hasn't fundamentally changed my position on Fosun, I am well aware that these things do occur, it does indicate that the management structure is perhaps not as strong as it should be, or there are people who are not in the right positions.

I am also pretty confident that Fosun will have enough business acumen to appreciate this

We both have project experience then 50+ years between us.

We both appreciate its not an ideal situation.

We both know something happened in the critical path thats caused this, could be delayed, could be it was an impossible deadline, absolutely sure you and I have laughed at deadlines we have been given and gone cannot be hit.

We also know we could have hit a deadline by throwing more resources at it, but that would have destroyed our Budget, so we have to weigh up budget constraints with gains, usually checking with the Feasability study as to the gains V Costs.

You and I kmow enough to know its not neccesarily an issue with the structure.

If your boss gave you a 6 month project and asked for it in 3 months with a budget for costs that means you can only employ 3 guys and 3 guys would take 12 months, thats not a problem with the structure.

In normal circumstances we have deadlines and can usually put the plan together check the critical path and see if the deadline is feasible, if not we have discussions regarding deadline, Budget ETC, and deadlines can be moved.

The first home match is an fixed deadline nothing can be done, we either hit it or we don't, no amount of fiddling with the plan can hit it, because the critical path takes 13 weeks not the 12 we have.

No ones fault.