General Wolves News

[Lycan]

Losing the assists of Neto would be huge too, could see them gambling on Chiquinho.

I know I've said it before on here but that would be a mistake IMO. He'd need to be a stand out player in Portugal at this age to interest me and he's just not.

 

[Dire Wolf]

There is a certain % of luck there obviously but it's unfair to say it's just that. Also a lot of hard work and clearly a very good medical/fitness department.

I think it's very likely that every team in the PL has a good medical/fitness department, are you claiming that ours is that much better than every other team in the division? I find that hard to believe. It maybe a small factor, but everyone will be monitoring the intensity levels and all that sports science stuff. Everyone.

We have been fortunate, how many games have our CM players missed through injury between them? Less than 5. Our central defenders? Dawson might be the only one who has had an injury I think. Hugo B and RAN have had injuries and have missed an few games between them. Our big ones have been up front with Neto missing maybe 10 games, Cunha will miss 6ish, and Hwang who seems to get injured tying his laces so has missed a handful here and there.

Compare that to Newcastle who have missed Pope for 2 thirds of the season, Harvey Barnes and Willock for 2 thirds of the season, Wilson for half or more, Isak has missed a few games, Joelinton is going to end up missing half the season almost... Is that down to the intensity in their style of play? Probably. Is it because their medical/fitness staff are rubbish compared to ours? I very much doubt that.

There are obviously a number of factors at play, but we have clearly been somewhat fortunate that we have had a mostly healthy squad for much of the season. That graph shows it.

 

[Del Woppio]

We've been here before, under Nuno, when half the fans and, I think, the actual club, thought they had this magic formula or conditioning and prehab that the rest of the footballing world couldn't achieve.

We've been lucky. Not factoring in that that luck will change is a failure

 

[Alan]

Stating the obvious we have less players to get injuries

Great call out, would be very interested in seeing it normalized for that.

 

[Wolftone]

The Gaffa is on 5-live in a couple of minutes if anyone wants to listen

 

[C.L.D]

I swear someone in our medical department during previous managers was nicely nicknamed "Dr Death". I assume we've moved on from him/that group.

 

[Tony Towner]

Dr Clueless was the ALOB name given

 

[Tredman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763815797980356863

 

[Jinky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763815797980356863

Someone who knows what they’re talking about will have to break that down or explain properly what that means. But I’m guessing this is why they’re not painting the bollards outside the BW stand…

 

[PuntsWolf]

So

20/21 - £18.4m profit
21/22 - £46.1m loss
22/23 - £67.2m loss

Total - £94.9m loss

Those figures don’t include the Neves money and there will have been allowable losses for FFP/PSR. So we were comfortably clear in the last period but need to make at worst £8.3m profit this year (likely much less with allowances) and now we’ve sold a ton of players and have a tiny squad so wages will come down too. Add in finishing higher and a cup run greater than they would have budgeted for and we can safely predict we are absolutely clear, although will probably need someone like Penk/Craig to re do the amortisation to give a more accurate guess.

 

[Tony Towner]

One for the accountants, but that seems In line with the expectations. Player sales being MGW, Donck and Vinagre. His alarming comment is hyperbole given the spend we made in both windows in that period and therefore to be expected. What is alarming is the on pitch value we got from the Summer one £115m or thereabouts on Nunes, Guedes, Sasa, Collins and Hwang. Thankfully a couple are gone for a profit so will come off the books next time, 2 for different reasons will be a financial drag until their contracts are up and one we've given a new contract to when he was in a purple patch

 

[Tredman]

These are not the figures used for PSR. That explicitly includes some money, which isn’t included for PSR, to paint bollards.

Matchday revenue is not great too, it was pretty stark how many tickets went unsold midweek despite it being impossible to get tickets.

 

[leedswolf]

RAAC as well potentially. It's the right age.

RAAC isn't commonly associated with sports stadia.

 

[PuntsWolf]

One for the accountants, but that seems In line with the expectations. Player sales being MGW, Donck and Vinagre. Doesn't include Neves or Cunha. His alarming comment is hyperbole given the spend we made in both windows in that period and therefore to be expected. What is alarming is the on pitch value we got from the Summer one £115m or thereabouts on Nunes, Guedes, Sasa, Collins and Hwang. Thankfully a couple are gone for a profit so will come off the books next time, 2 for different reasons will be a financial drag until their contracts are up and one we've given a new contract to when he was in a purple patch

To get the figure to £211m surely we have to have signed Cunha? Transfermarkt has us at €177m without him?

 

[Jinky]

More info here:

Wolves' 2022/23 financial accounts explained as club makes £67m loss

Wolves made a loss of just over £67million for the 2022/23 financial year but are on course to stay within the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules.

www.expressandstar.com

The club are predicted to be within the FFP guidelines by £2.7m, but they projected a “worst case scenario” of finishing 17th in order to do that. As we’re looking likely to finish a lot higher, we should comfortably be within those guidelines.

Having to pay off Jonny had an impact on our ability to sign a striker.

We’ve received all the money for Jota.

 

[Tony Towner]

To get the figure to £211m surely we have to have signed Cunha? Transfermarkt has us at €177m without him?

That's what LLs piece says yes, so I'll amend my post. In which case we are clear by an absolute country mile this season, yet he's still saying we couldn't sign a striker because we had to pay Jonny off. Bonkers.

I wonder if Fosun have called in a loan?

 

[PuntsWolf]

That's what LLs piece says yes, so I'll amend my post. In which case we are clear by an absolute country mile this season, yet he's still saying we couldn't sign a striker because we had to pay Jonny off. Bonkers.

I wonder if Fosun have called in a loan?

I can’t be arsed to work it out but he’s also saying we’re on for a loss again this season. With the profit on player trading, likely reduced wage bill, higher TV and league/cup revenue I simply can’t see how that can be true unless there’s something else at play as you say.

 

[Tony Towner]

I can’t be arsed to work it out but he’s also saying we’re on for a loss again this season. With the profit on player trading, likely reduced wage bill, higher TV and league/cup revenue I simply can’t see how that can be true unless there’s something else at play as you say.

As we know net transfer spend isn't p&l, but when you make a paper surplus of something like £110m, plus £10m savings just from your 2 biggest wage earners then clearly that's impossible without a curve ball we don't know about. As you said in your earlier post any loss this year would need us reaching into the PSR exemptions to clear it.

Perhaps the recall of the loan was the change from Plan B to Plan C? Plan A being impossible in the first place. Although ai think loans either way sit outside of PSR don't they?

 

[The Bear]

Obviously the club calculated that they could include the Cunha fee in the 22/23 period and be ok and ratified the deal early, rather than having it affecting the 23/24 period instead.

 

[Sniffer]

As we know net transfer spend isn't p&l, but when you make a paper surplus of something like £110m, plus £10m savings just from your 2 biggest wage earners then clearly that's impossible without a curve ball we don't know about. As you said in your earlier post any loss this year would need us reaching into the PSR exemptions to clear it.

Perhaps the recall of the loan was the change from Plan B to Plan C? Plan A being impossible in the first place. Although ai think loans either way sit outside of PSR don't they?

Loans are balance sheet items (except the interest on them) rather than Profit and loss account however you are correct that overall if the loan would effect cash flow. It was intimidated in the summer window thread that the non buying of players was a cash flow problem rather than a FFP headroom one.