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Not sure what he's done to warrant so much abuse. Wasn't good enough when he got here, not his fault. Got chucked in at the deep end. Cost way too much money, also not his fault.
Gone on loan and worked hard. Says he just wants play. It's obviously true he has no say over where he plays, that's down to Mendes and whether Wolves want to sell him to the highest bidder.
 
Is this not the same as Doherty?
Not really imv, Doc had about 8 years of not being fit for purpose, followed by 2 years of excellent service, then a gradual deteriation (Im not particularly a Doc hater btw)
Silva was chucked in after Rauls injury when nowhere near ready cos we had no other options, he then struggled and rarely got much game time after before being shipped out.

I do think Docs criticism has been OTT at times.
 
When was the gradual deteriation with Doc? His last game for us before he left was one of his best defensively ever?

On another note, he's due a testimonial isn't he? :ROFLMAO:
 
When was the gradual deteriation with Doc? His last game for us before he left was one of his best defensively ever?
When every team sussed our tactics and closed the gaps he used to exploit. He was completely ineffective in what he'd been doing and was never going to be able to change his game to be effective in other ways. That niche role created for him became redundant.
 
When every team sussed our tactics and closed the gaps he used to exploit. He was completely ineffective in what he'd been doing and was never going to be able to change his game to be effective in other ways. That niche role created for him became redundant.
We finished 7th and got to the Europa QF the season he left!!! He scored 7 and got 5 assists that very season!?

Along with the previous season it was the best season in my lifetime, i must have missed those games when he was "completely ineffective" as we juggled winning in Europe with a really good Premier league season!
 
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Idleness is the devils workshop .

Lets get the season started and suddenly both JL and Fabio will have far less reason to moan because they'll be far more occupied with matches every weekend and midweek sometimes , sorting out injuries , getting more goals out of the team etc .

Everyone is entitled to complain if you were promised X and now that person has backtracked . JL however is no fool , it's not as if this has never happened before at a Football club , it's not as if he has no players to work with , it's not as if he is being paid buttons with no back up team .
JL is around a long time . Club ownership nowadays is a much different model to the past where the club owner was actually quite visible , but even then you couldn't always second guess what they were going to do .

I'd love a few more signings as well - Elvedi for one and hopefully Scott as well or else a striker . If we got two of those or all three I'd live with that .
FOSUN are far from the perfect owners . Communication is poor , but is it any better at other clubs ? Be careful what you wish for if people want them gone .

Spending heavily in January was always a sign that Summer spending was always going to be tight , even with departures .

As a supporter I'm no more happier than anyone else with our few signings and uncertainty over what plan FOSUN have for Wolves , but I'm a realist as well . A lot of us at work in our daily jobs live with that problem too , but we still get on with it and don't let it upset our daily lives .
We're still a Premier League club , we still have a damn good Manager who demands hard work and has a high standard . There are a lot more things right than there are wrong . I'll take that for now .
 
After visiting Fuengirola recently, I for one won’t believe ANYTHING, even if posted by Jinky, until double verified by Jonzy/Glasgo.

Having visited Spain recently, I can fully agree that this is an imperative information source.
Er, cheers for mentioning me 🤷‍♂️
 
We finished 7th and got to the Europa QF the season he left!!! He scored 7 and got 5 assists that very season!?

Along with the previous season it was the best season in my lifetime, i must have missed those games when he was "completely ineffective" as we juggled winning in Europe with a really good Premier league season!
My memory is worse than I thought. In my mind Doc left at the
Season after the EL QF, in fact I think that was the game Nuno realised we'd gone as far as we could with that system and he didn't think Doc could play a different system.
 
We finished 7th and got to the Europa QF the season he left!!! He scored 7 and got 5 assists that very season!?

Along with the previous season it was the best season in my lifetime, i must have missed those games when he was "completely ineffective" as we juggled winning in Europe with a really good Premier league season!
We were completely done by the end of that season and it was very noticeable how teams were negating our switches by closing the spaces we used to exploit. In the last eight league games he got one assist, or if you want to stretch it out he got three assists and one goal in the last eighteen league games. Teams had sussed us and we had to change it up because we simply couldn't play the way we used to. That included Doherty's role, I'm pretty sure the manager must have felt that way too or he wouldn't have wanted to replace him. Maybe they should have just stuck to the seven goals and five assists stats and kept him instead of analysing the actual football being played?
 
To caveat that, Doherty was actually extremely effective when he could drift into acres of space and be picked out by the long switches, progress into threatening areas and pick somebody out. As soon as teams plugged that gap and he had to take men on it all stopped.
 
We were completely done by the end of that season and it was very noticeable how teams were negating our switches by closing the spaces we used to exploit. In the last eight league games he got one assist, or if you want to stretch it out he got three assists and one goal in the last eighteen league games. Teams had sussed us and we had to change it up because we simply couldn't play the way we used to. That included Doherty's role, I'm pretty sure the manager must have felt that way too or he wouldn't have wanted to replace him. Maybe they should have just stuck to the seven goals and five assists stats and kept him instead of analysing the actual football being played?

If teams were making such an effort to close the spaces out wide and shut down the wingbacks as options then you'd think it would've made it child's play for the supposed world class midfielders to dominate through the middle of the pitch as opponents became more stretched. Funny how that never happened.
 
If teams were making such an effort to close the spaces out wide and shut down the wingbacks as options then you'd think it would've made it child's play for the supposed world class midfielders to dominate through the middle of the pitch as opponents became more stretched. Funny how that never happened.
Well when Doherty only assisted one goal in those final eight games we still managed to win four and draw one of them. Wonder how we did that?

EDIT: Of the eighteen games where he assisted three and scored one, we won eight and drew five. Wonder how we did that?
 
Not sure how I've ended up in a Doc circle of despair discussion from questioning why Fabio gets such vitriol from some Wolves fans, gotta love footy forums.
 
We were completely done by the end of that season and it was very noticeable how teams were negating our switches by closing the spaces we used to exploit. In the last eight league games he got one assist, or if you want to stretch it out he got three assists and one goal in the last eighteen league games. Teams had sussed us and we had to change it up because we simply couldn't play the way we used to. That included Doherty's role, I'm pretty sure the manager must have felt that way too or he wouldn't have wanted to replace him. Maybe they should have just stuck to the seven goals and five assists stats and kept him instead of analysing the actual football being played?
I remember the football being played all too well, we were superb that season, but many of our players were understandably dead on their feet after a near 60 game season - so of course we started to look less effective as the season drew to a close.

Funnily enough, in the last 13 league games Doc scored or assisted 30% of our goals. So as I said this idea he was "completely inneffective" is clearly hyperbole at best, bollocks at worst.

And for all the criticisms of his defending he was superb against Sevilla, in what was his last game - that's a distinct memory, not stats, so don't be so patronising.

You're actually weakening your argument by saying our form was still decent even when he was supposedly ineffective, as we still picked up points as we were able to dominate other areas.

18/19 and 19/20 were our best 2 seasons for around 40 years, he was absolutely a key part of that, it was a great side!

Nuno wanted to change system the following season, which turned out to be a mistake, particularly as we lost so many goals in Doc, Jota and then Raul, I'm certain we'd have finished higher than 13th if we'd have continued with 352/343 but I understood the reasons why Nuno wanted to change the way we played.
 
clearly hyperbole at best, bollocks at worst.

And in the next paragraph...

so don't be so patronising.

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