Games 7-12: Predictions

[Boozad]

Watford have had a bit of an evolution, they're very rough and ready these days, up for a fight and I quite like their system even though it requires the fullbacks to provide all the width. Jose Holebas is an absolute wanker though, I can't stand him. I can see them getting a point here in a good old scrap of a game.

I can't stand a lot of their team really but hats off to what they're doing, Gracia has got it nailed so far.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/01/watford-jose-holebas-olympiakos-roma

He's a fucking cunt on the pitch but read that and try coming away with a positive opinion on the guy. Utter tosser.

 

[Premier Quality]

Surprised to see so many people putting Brighton down as a defeat, they're $#@!ing mince. Anybody who watched them play Spurs Saturday (especially when compared to how we played at Old Trafford just a couple of hours before) really shouldn't expect us to lose to them, they were as bad as Burnley and set up like Newcastle against expansive teams. We'll beat them.

I was thinking the same as I read through. I’ve put arsenal away as a loss as we have to lose sometime.

Southampton (H) WIN
Palace (A) WIN
Watford (H) DRAW
Brighton (A) WIN
Tottenham (H) DRAW
Arsenal (A) LOSS

 

[Boozad]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/01/watford--holebas-olympiakos-roma

He's a fucking cunt on the pitch but read that and try coming away with a positive opinion on the guy. Utter tosser.

Just got a 404, can't view the page. Can you post it in here?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just got a 404, can't view the page. Can you post it in here?

Odd, it's working for me. Anyway:

José Holebas is not your average Premier League interviewee and it is easy to feel he does not care about whom he offends – even if it is a Watford teammate, especially if it is a Watford teammate.

The German-born former Greece international was underwhelmed on joining the club from Roma in 2015 and he makes no attempt to hide it. He had enjoyed a successful year in Serie A, finishing as a runner-up, while he previously swept all before him at Olympiakos, winning four league titles and two domestic cups in four seasons.


“I played at bigger clubs and there the mentality is different to here,” Holebas says. “I had to work a lot on myself because everything is totally different. You play for Watford. It’s a good club. We do quite well but I know the bigger levels like Olympiakos and Roma. You play with different players, different quality. We have quality here, as well, but in another way.


“I had to adjust my mentality – a lot. To become more forgiving? Yes, when something happened like easy mistakes in the game. That didn’t happen to me when I played at big clubs. They know a little bit better when they can do something or not. It changes your way of football.


“When you bring in good players, it doesn’t mean it will work straight away. The players are as good as your team are. When you come here – a guy who has to be on top – and then you see all these younger guys and they try to build a team … for me, it was really difficult. But the president [Gino Pozzo] is trying to do everything for the club and I think it works now.”


The last line resonates as Watford prepare for Sunday’s home game against Tottenham with three league wins out of three; their opponents also boast a perfect record. But at the same time it is slightly jarring coming from Holebas, a remorselessly demanding competitor who offers the impression that he can never be happy.


He gives this interview at Watford’s training ground and his teammates Daryl Janmaat and Roberto Pereyra wander over to take the mickey. “Has he told you about his goal yet?” Janmaat asks, referring to the intended cross that sailed inside the far post to sink Crystal Palace last Sunday. He and Pereyra listen for a while, nodding and stroking their chins.


Holebas does not smile, which is standard for him, but he does not even acknowledge them. It is a comprehensive blanking. The time spent with him is illuminated by his candour. It is also intense to the point of edgy, pockmarked by abrupt silences.


The 34-year-old left-back has come up the hard way, to put it mildly, and it has shaped him, particularly the leap from having nothing to having everything. He had raw talent as an 18-year-old but was drifting at the foot of Germany’s football pyramid, playing mainly for fun as an amateur, when his life was turned upside down.


Holebas’s girlfriend at the time became pregnant and, faced with having to earn money to support his young family – they would have a daughter – he put his football on the backburner and took a job as a warehouse worker. “You pack the stuff and that’s it,” Holebas says. “Eight hours a day. For everyone who does a job that they don’t love, it’s boring but they have to do it because they have to live.”


He played part-time for SV Damn in Aschaffenburg – his home town near Frankfurt – and they won a series of promotions from what he describes as the “lowest league in Germany, the 10th division”, before he spent a season at Viktoria Kahl in the fifth tier.


Then things got serious. Aged 22 and having in effect missed what must be considered the crucial formative years in the full‑time game, he was offered a deal by 1860 Munich. He had separated from the mother of his daughter but the transfer to Munich would mean him moving 400km from Aschaffenburg as well as everyone and everything he knew.


Holebas quit his job and took the all-or-nothing plunge. It paid off. After beginning in the second team he made his professional debut for the club as a 23-year-old in the Bundesliga’s second division. At 26 he earned his move to Olympiakos.


“I have had to fight every day for everything in my life and the good thing about my work in the warehouse is that I know how it is with and without money,” Holebas says. “I have seen people change towards me, even family members, and it’s all about money. My uncles have asked me for it. I am not your money pocket, I’ve had to say. I am not in contact with a lot of people now and I have to be really careful.


“A lot of footballers go bankrupt after their careers because they don’t know how to handle money. It’s risky to give these 18‑ or 19‑year‑olds such crazy amounts and I see how they don’t give the respect to senior players any more. It’s the club’s fault to make them like that but it’s the way, especially in England.”


Holebas does not hold back, either on the field or in conversation. The son of a Greek father and a German‑American mother, it is interesting to hear his view on the Mesut Özil controversy. The Arsenal midfielder, who was born in Germany to parents of a migrant background, cited racism when he announced his retirement from the German national team. Özil was criticised after he was photographed with the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.


“They go too far now, these boys, always talking about racism,” Holebas says. “I mean, you are born in Germany and you make a picture with the Turkish president. Something must be behind that but I’m not really into it because I’m not interested in stupid stories like this.”


Watford’s Mr Angry is focused purely on upsetting Spurs.

A needlessly aggressive prat. We all know the sort.

 

[wordsleywolf]

Hmmm a job in the diplomatic corps beckons for Mr Holebas when he retires.
As for us, well we ALWAYS lose to Arsenal so I'm predicting 5-7 points.

 

[sycophantia]

Think we might get points from all those matches, the only teams that are currently playing better than us are Liverpool and City

 

[Tony Towner]

Southampton (H) WIN
Palace (A) DRAW
Watford (H) WIN
Brighton (A) DRAW
Tottenham (H) DRAW
Arsenal (A) LOSS
9/18 and 9 games without defeat

 

[StuardoWulf]

Southampton (H) WIN
Palace (A) WIN
Watford (H) DRAW
Brighton (A) WIN
Tottenham (H) LOSE
Arsenal (A)DRAW

11 points
was going to go win at Arsenal

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

Southampton (H) Win
Palace (A) Win
Watford (H) Draw
Brighton (A) Win
Tottenham (H) Loss
Arsenal (A) LOSS

10 points

 

[BGreenWolf]

Southampton (H) Win
Palace (A) Draw
Watford (H) Draw
Brighton (A) Win
Tottenham (H) Draw
Arsenal (A) Loss

9 points

Seems reasonable enough to me. I could potentially see us losing to Spurs, but they'll have to significantly tighten up between now and then.

It's definitely an easier run of games than the last 6, so maybe I'm being a little conservative to say we'll match it, but I think there are going to be some deceptively difficult games in there- given the form they're in, a draw with Watford would be a great result.

 

[MobNet Wolf]

If we come away with positive results in our next four, particularly if we remain unbeaten (which would make us unbeaten in 8), I can't see us losing to Spurs in the frenzied atmosphere of 7.45pm under the lights on a Saturday at Molineux. It could be one of those all time great nights.

 

[YoungWolf]

I think if we get more than 9 points people will really sit up and take notice. That said I think we will get between 6-8, which I wouldn't be too worried by

 

[Tom Hark]

Southampton (H) WIN
Palace (A) WIN
Watford (H) DRAW
Brighton (A) WIN
Tottenham (H) DRAW
Arsenal (A) LOSE

11 points

 

[lemonjelly]

Southampton (H) Win
Palace (A) Win
Watford (H) Draw
Brighton (A) Draw
Tottenham (H) Draw
Arsenal (A) Lose

9 Points, However, part of me feels we could well beat watford too, and we'll undoubtedly go into the arsenal game believing we can get something out of that. We evidently fear no-one, and have belief in ourselves. This has yet to transfer to supporters, and I include myself in that. I genuinely am looking at every single game and thinking "we could get something out of this". I also think we're going to get better, provided we don't experience significant injuries.

 

[b3h]

Southampton (H) WIN
Palace (A) DRAW
Watford (H) LOSS
Brighton (A) WIN
Tottenham (H) LOSS
Arsenal (A) DRAW

 

[Jinky]

I'm not going to predict the individual results, but what I will say is, I think we're really difficult to score against (which is odd, because opposition fans seem to think our defence is suspect) - so I look at those teams we're coming up against and I can't see a great deal that worries me. Brighton & Watford will stick their big men (Murray & Deeney) on Coady and hope for some success from that - although United did the same with Lukaku and he hardly had a touch. Palace will have the Zaha factor - and he's capable of moments of brilliance, but looking through the rest of their team, they'll be solid but not spectacular. Same as Southampton. Spurs/Arsenal will be interesting because the onus will be on them to get at us. They're the 'big' clubs and we're the newly promoted team with little expectation - so they could both end up struggling, the same as both United/City. Odds are we'll lose a couple of the next 6, draw a couple and pick a couple of wins up - which will keep us in and around the top 8-10, but I'm quietly confident of getting around 12 points from this lot.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'm not going to predict the individual results, but what I will say is, I think we're really difficult to score against (which is odd, because opposition fans seem to think our defence is suspect) - so I look at those teams we're coming up against and I can't see a great deal that worries me. Brighton & Watford will stick their big men (Murray & Deeney) on Coady and hope for some success from that - although United did the same with Lukaku and he hardly had a touch. Palace will have the Zaha factor - and he's capable of moments of brilliance, but looking through the rest of their team, they'll be solid but not spectacular. Same as Southampton. Spurs/Arsenal will be interesting because the onus will be on them to get at us. They're the 'big' clubs and we're the newly promoted team with little expectation - so they could both end up struggling, the same as both United/City. Odds are we'll lose a couple of the next 6, draw a couple and pick a couple of wins up - which will keep us in and around the top 8-10, but I'm quietly confident of getting around 12 points from this lot.

No way Deeney will be playing on the last man.

 

[Jinky]

No way Deeney will be playing on the last man.

By that I mean he'll try and 'rough' Coady up and isolate him. I know you have a weird love in for Troy.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

By that I mean he'll try and 'rough' Coady up and isolate him. I know you have a weird love in for Troy.

He won't do that, he drops into spaces rather than playing up against people for the most part so he'll be trying to exploit any space in between the midfield two and back three for the most part. Gray is the man who gets left higher up the pitch trying to occupy the opposition defence, he won't pose anything like that sort of physical challenge and generally it'll be Bennett or Boly directly against him anyway so Coady is free to provide cover.

Think the bigger issue with Watford could be Hughes and Pereyra as they tend to play fairly narrow and that could give them a lot of bodies in the middle of the park against Moutinho and Neves, especially with Deeney floating in behind them too, so it'll be interesting to see how the wide forwards and wingbacks adjust to cover that movement from Watford's wide players without leaving big spaces for their fullbacks to attack.