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[fansagainstvar]

That Luton goal is why VAR will never work, exact kind of when where around half of fans think it's a foul and half don't. VAR is pointless in a subjective game.
Just go with the refs call and bring the passion back. Never a foul for me personally, well done to the ref, VAR clearly doesn't want to make moves now after the DCL debacle. Hilarious.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Remember those dispassionate celebrations when Lemina stuck the ball in against Spurs and everybody first waited with baited breath for VAR? Seen better limbs at the Crucible.

There's a lot to rightfully crucify VAR and/or the application of for. After that Spurs game I can safely say 'passion' isn't one. I'd wager that's more to do with aging fanbases and younger fans been priced out by greedy cunts running our clubs.

 

[Deano]

Remember those dispassionate celebrations when Lemina stuck the ball in against Spurs and everybody first waited with baited breath for VAR? Seen better limbs at the Crucible.

There's a lot to rightfully crucify VAR and/or the application of for. After that Spurs game I can safely say 'passion' isn't one. I'd wager that's more to do with aging fanbases and younger fans been priced out by greedy cunts running our clubs.

That's one example. There have been goals that have stood for us that I've not celebrated or half celebrated because I thought they were coming back. It absolutely has an impact on celebrating goals in the ground.

 

[Mel Evo]

It’s not reasonable for the supporters of VAR to suggest it hasn’t had a deleterious impact on emotion in the ground any more than it is for opponents to suggest it hasn’t improved the veracity of offside decisions. I think it’s a question of how much you’re willing to compromise on one for the other.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

That's one example. There have been goals that have stood for us that I've not celebrated or half celebrated because I thought they were coming back. It absolutely has an impact on celebrating goals in the ground.

And there's been hundreds of goals pre var where the linesman would be stood with his flag in the air but fans would still be going wild as a goal was scored, no one ever called for a ban on offside then.

If a goal is disallowed for a valid reason, then everyone should be fine with it, clearly it's when VAR steps in wrongly (or doesn't) that everyone gets annoyed with it, and rightly so. That's what needs to change.

 

[Kenny]

Old way - You started to celebrate but quickly noticed the flag...got annoyed, called him a cheating fucker and moved on.

Current Way - you celebrate, full limbs blah blah...then get "VAR checking"...wait....wait....wait...booooooo...fuck VAR chant...wait...no goal.

That is the killer for me. It can of course be fixed to be a lot quicker but still won't come close to the old way. They can sort it out though using the automated system and reduce the wait then most fans will eventually adapt and call the automated system a cheat and move on.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

So you're saying it's the prolonged annoyance that makes it worse? Maybe, but I wonder if people in general are a lot more impatient and expectant to get what they want than they used to be too.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Old way - You started to celebrate but quickly noticed the flag...got annoyed, called him a cheating fucker and moved on.

Not VAR related but got me thinking about a golden moment. Took my Dad to watch HSV vs Leverkusen in 2002 when he came to visit me. The season Leverkusen made the CL final.

1-1, decent game, about 20 to go and a HSV player did one of those "long range shot -> hits ad board behind the goal -> hits the net behind the goal and from some angles you momentarily think it's a goal" efforts. Of course the celebration dies down after 4-5 seconds...except one guy about three rows in front of us. Still going wild with joy and never seems to twig. And no-one has the heart to tell him.

I really hope that to this day he thinks HSV won 2-1.

 

[Kenny]

So you're saying it's the prolonged annoyance that makes it worse? Maybe, but I wonder if people in general are a lot more impatient and expectant to get what they want than they used to be too.

For me it is. Can't speak for everyone else.

Previously annoyed at offside calls but talking seconds to realise and the game moves on.
The 2-3 mins or more after the celebrations have died down are shit and ruin a game.
It's never going back to how it was and that is fine. So mad celebrating followed by a VAR kick in the bollocks will happen....just be nice if they can do it quicker. Which they can.

 

[Alan]

Maybe I’m just NFL-pilled, but I always find the wait heightens the drama. I basically grew up with the Coach’s Challenge, at the very least, existing, though.

 

[lemonjelly]

Maybe I’m just NFL-pilled, but I always find the wait heightens the drama. I basically grew up with the Coach’s Challenge, at the very least, existing, though.

NFL games are filled with stoppages though.
Football should flow. Momentum is lost with how VAR is currently.

 

[Alan]

NFL games are filled with stoppages though.
Football should flow. Momentum is lost with how VAR is currently.

I guess? Football is filled with stoppages as-is, IMV. Players flopping, the ball going out of play, time wasting/shithousery... The flow breaks up plenty already and VAR usually only comes in during a normal stoppage anyway.

 

[Kenny]

Shithousery etc does slow the game down but looking at less than a minute....fans will start getting annoyed after 10 seconds though.

Extensive VAR checks just add on minutes no one really wants.

 

[lemonjelly]

Those aren't stoppages though. Ball out of play, the game is still in progress. Indeed at the start of the season they tried addressing this.
Players flopping/ shithousery again is still in play stuff. They are tactics, that some find frustrating. See martinez/maupay recently.
NFL has persistent stoppages, referee discussions and so on.

 

[Alan]

If the ball going out of play in soccer is "still in progress", then I'd argue the time between plays in American football is "still in progress", as well.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The clock is often stopped while you fuck off for the 983rd advert of the game

 

[fansagainstvar]

If the ball going out of play in soccer is "still in progress", then I'd argue the time between plays in American football is "still in progress", as well.

Calling it soccer has to be an automatic ban surely mods

VAR may or may not work in the NFL. But it's a different sport. Non comparable.

It works better in cricket too but it's a more stop start game. I've spoken to rugby fans who hate whatever their version of VAR is.

It ruins football and that's the long and short of it. Villa scored a great goal today.. took nearly 4 minutes to disallow it for some crap nobody cared about a decade ago.

 

[Tredman]

Calling it soccer has to be an automatic ban surely mods

VAR may or may not work in the NFL. But it's a different sport. Non comparable.

It works better in cricket too but it's a more stop start game. I've spoken to rugby fans who hate whatever their version of VAR is.

It ruins football and that's the long and short of it. Villa scored a great goal today.. took nearly 4 minutes to disallow it for some crap nobody cared about a decade ago.

Really?

 

[BillyDee]

One of the big improvements with rugby is, for things like offside or forward pases, they just eyeball it. Run a couple of replays, if it's obvious, call it, if it's not, let it go.
Much better and quicker than drawing silly lines and chasing an impossible level of 'accuracy'...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Not met a single rugby fan who is anti the way VAR is used inthat game.