Diving/Cheating. Ok for Wolves to do?

[FrankMunro-371]

Frank, your input and knowledge in these debates is excellent and long may it continue.

Thank you. I just try to put forward the referees side of these things.

One thing I would ask of those who were at Molineux last night, had the referee not given the penalty, do you think he should have cautioned Dicko?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Stuart Gray doesn't think it was a penalty - says it was a good tackle. He also doesn't think Dicko dived.

 

[Johnny75]

Frank, your input and knowledge in these debates is excellent and long may it continue.

+1

Good to get a different perspective on it.

Stuart Gray doesn't think it was a penalty - says it was a good tackle. He also doesn't think Dicko dived.

Andy Townsend made this exact point with Sanchez in the Arsenal game last night whereby there doesn't have to be a free kick, caution or penalty, sometimes a collision is just that and doesn't need any action. Too often the media themselves scream 'foul' or 'dive' but in reality this is nonsense.

 

[Jack Regan]

My 1st impression last night was that it was soft. I've not seen it since but Dicko certainly has form for going down too easily. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised if it was a dive.

It's interesting that Kevin Doyle has been largely castigated for falling at every opportunity (which he does) but Dicko can get away with it, as long as he only does it in the box.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Stuart Gray doesn't think it was a penalty - says it was a good tackle. He also doesn't think Dicko dived.

Seems strange to describe it as a 'good tackle' when the defender didn't win the ball, he didn't even make an attempt to do so, just stood there both feet planted on the floor.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Stuart Gray doesn't think it was a penalty - says it was a good tackle. He also doesn't think Dicko dived.

Which is fair enough. Though had it been a good tackle don't you think the Wednesday players might have put up a bit of a protest?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Which is fair enough. Though had it been a good tackle don't you think the Wednesday players might have put up a bit of a protest?

I do, but I also think it was a penalty. A "soft" penalty is still a penalty. I think the defender was careless, I might even go as far as to say he knew exactly what he was doing and took a risk that the referee might not give a penalty.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

Using Mark's sliding scale of violence/contact, I'm giving it a 1.
Marginal contact, maybe a touching of knees, but just watching this little clip, the defender thought about a tackle, didn't make it/ thought better of it and Dicko touched knees in failing to avoid him and went down all of a clatter.
For balance, if the colour of the shirt was reversed, I'd be calling the attacker a cheat.
Now I understand that a foul is a foul, push, shove, trip etc that if it happened outside the box, it might be a free kick, but probably not, but because he was in the box, he failed to waltz around him and go on to score and instead, just fell over.

Poor stuff. Don't agree and if I was Kenny J, I'd be having a word with him.
I know it got us on the scoresheet, I know it affected the game but I really think it goes against what we expect from a Wolves player.

Here's the clip, just let it run... https://vine.co/v/OVp7OqlOnHl

 

[Wolf Hunting]

I do, but I also think it was a penalty. A "soft" penalty is still a penalty. I think the defender was careless, I might even go as far as to say he knew exactly what he was doing and took a risk that the referee might not give a penalty.

I'm kind of surprised TSB that the defender didn't actually tackle him, as in go for the ball, he was well balanced, plenty of time to assess and make sure he got to the ball first.

 

[Sniffer]

The more I see of it the more I think that it is/was a penalty.

 

[The Bear]

The defender made contact therefore it's not a dive. He went down easy but that's up to the ref to decide if it warrants a foul then.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

E&S....

Bakary Sako’s 18th-minute spot kick following Nouha Dicko’s fall that looked right out of Fernando Forestieri’s book of tricks paved the way for a third win in four home games.

FFS why would they print that? Absolute nonsense, the two incidents could not have been more different.

Forestieri' dive was an outlandish cynical piece of deliberate cheating, done with the sole purpose of conning the ref and getting Bakary sent off. No contact involved

Dicko's incident saw him cut sharply into the area, controlling it on his left before attempting to jink right and past the defender. Yes, the contact was minimal but you could argue that the defender clearly obstructs Dicko by not even attempting to tackle for the ball, and there is definite contact as their knees collide. Not sure how many on here have actually played football in real life, but a clash of knees is one of the most painful things, especially on the bony inside part, absolute agony, on a level with hitting your funny bone and the pain lasts ages.

Context is also an important thing to remember here.
Dicko's incident also takes place in the box, and everyone knows that if a defender makes contact with you in the box to deny a goal scoring opportunity, you hit the deck. We were encouraged to do this a few years back when Doyle used to stay on his feet despite being body checked everytime he got in the box.
Forestieri's shenanigans were the result of a rush of blood to the head after a heated challenge. There was no chance to score and his actions were done to get a man sent off. If Dicko did dive, it was to win a penalty, not always a guaranteed goal in itself, and was nowhere near as cynical as the Forestieri dive.

Comparing the two incidents is deluded.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

The defender made contact therefore it's not a dive. He went down easy but that's up to the ref to decide if it warrants a foul then.

Well... I have to take issue with that.
The defender was standing still, practically static.
Dicko was running towards him then dodged around the still static defender, I'd say Dicko made contact with him.
As in, failed to avoid him, ran into him, almost as bad as swerving round him but making sure his trailing leg stuck out (thereby kicking the defender) and falling over.
The static defender having thought about not tackling him, vitually stands there as Dicko dodges around him... making marginal contact with his knee as he does so.
What is a defender supposed to do? Stay in the fucking dressing room?
In deciding not to tackle him, it'd look pretty stupid if he ran off in the opposite direction.... or even just stepped out of the way with his arms in the air saying, "There you go mate, a clear run in on goal".

 

[Kenny]

when Doyle used to stay on his feet

Eh? When....surely not etc etc

 

[Sniffer]

You could argue that the defender deliberately leaves his leg in there and holds up his hands in an attempt to con the ref that Dicko dived.

 

[Kenny]

I still say it was a penalty.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

While the referee was in a decent position, he was blind side to the tackle. Does anyone know if the assistant flagged for the foul, as he would have had a perfect view of it.

 

[DejaVuWolf]

Too many nampy pampy foreigners in the game now.....

 

[MARKakaJIM]

 

[Kenny]

While the referee was in a decent position, he was blind side to the tackle. Does anyone know if the assistant flagged for the foul, as he would have had a perfect view of it.

Don't recall him doing so