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Just switched from diesel to petrol 2 days ago and still not convinced it was the right move.
Didn’t want the faff of electric and the potential damage to residuals on diesels is too risky to be throwing a load of wedge in that direction.

Still reckon some of the diesels are representing tremendous value for money for anyone brave enough to stick their head above the parapet. Bit of a gamble but with the anti-ulez expansion lot really getting their shit together you wonder if the start of the green kickback might be beginning.

I dunno, maybe just having doubts about the decision and lamenting the loss of torque and economy. Big gamble either way.
 
I went from diesel to a hybrid petrol for my previous car - it was really expensive, worst of both worlds.
 
I'm now on a Hybrid Petrol and versus my previous Diesel I am saving a lot.

Few £ to charge up the battery and that gets me around the local area without using petrol. When just in petrol I am getting 60+ MPG compared to around 45 in the last one.

I only really do 1 big drive a week (230 to MK and back) and the rest is local. In the Diesel around the local roads it would drink the bastard stuff and when it was nearly £2 a litre it was getting annoying. Gone from having to put in at least £80 a week to £25 on petrol and if using a lot for local around £10 in electric, sometimes less.
 
Kenny said:
I'm now on a Hybrid Petrol and versus my previous Diesel I am saving a lot.

Few £ to charge up the battery and that gets me around the local area without using petrol. When just in petrol I am getting 60+ MPG compared to around 45 in the last one.

I only really do 1 big drive a week (230 to MK and back) and the rest is local. In the Diesel around the local roads it would drink the bastard stuff and when it was nearly £2 a litre it was getting annoying. Gone from having to put in at least £80 a week to £25 on petrol and if using a lot for local around £10 in electric, sometimes less.
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What have you got out of interest? Looking at buying something later in the year.
 
This seems like the right place to mention the company Capita and see what responses that gets…
 
Tredman said:
I went from diesel to a hybrid petrol for my previous car - it was really expensive, worst of both worlds.
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I’m going from almost 50 mpg down to about 35. The 15p or so a litre cheaper will offset some of that a bit but it’s still a significant drop. The two motors have very similar outright performance figures but the diesel is way up on the torque, which is where it matters real-world. Go with a similar torque petrol and you’re down in the 20’s which would really hurt.

Do get the emissions thing and the need to change but it does feel like a backward switch from an engine type which is incredibly efficient to one that just isn’t.
 
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EpsomWolf said:
I’m going from almost 50 mpg down to about 35. The 15p or so a litre cheaper will offset some of that a bit but it’s still a significant drop. The two motors have very similar outright performance figures but the diesel is way up on the torque, which is where it matters real-world. Go with a similar torque petrol and you’re down in the 20’s which would really hurt.

Do get the emissions thing and the need to change but it does feel like a backward switch from an engine type which is incredibly efficient to one that just isn’t.
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I have a 11 yo petrol car. Worth bearing in mind I only do 3-4000 miles per year (cycle to/from work, so car used for going on hols, bowling, football matches, and going to gigs basically). There's no way a diesel would work for me (my understanding has always been that unless you're doing over 15000 miles per year you don't save anything anyway?)

I will be endeavouring to nurse my car through to 2030 if at all possible.
 
lemonjelly said:
I have a 11 yo petrol car. Worth bearing in mind I only do 3-4000 miles per year (cycle to/from work, so car used for going on hols, bowling, football matches, and going to gigs basically). There's no way a diesel would work for me (my understanding has always been that unless you're doing over 15000 miles per year you don't save anything anyway?)

I will be endeavouring to nurse my car through to 2030 if at all possible.
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The diesel/petrol cost equation was always based on the fact a diesel costs more to purchase. With everyone being scared of diesels the prices are tumbling. I bought a 2 year old motor to hedge my bets a bit but it was possible to get exactly the same car with much more efficient diesel power plant for the same or less - that would’ve been unheard of until recently.

This ulez thing and the recent cull has really freaked everyone out. It’s a brave move staying/going diesel but anyone not consumed by the green thing and is in an area unlikely to be gobbled up by ulez expansion zones any time soon then there’s probably never been a better time to buy one.

All options come at a price. Finding it all a bit of a pain in the arse to be honest.
 
Wife had a 1.6 litre diesel Golf drives to Dundalk 4 days a week
On average, she'd put €200 a month into it.
Swapped it for a VW ID3, a little more expensive per month (PCP) but we charge it about 5 times a month at €7.50, depending how low it is. So instead of €200 a month for diesel, its about €37.50 a month for juice.
Bit of a no brainer really.
 
Wolf Hunting said:
Wife had a 1.6 litre diesel Golf drives to Dundalk 4 days a week
On average, she'd put €200 a month into it.
Swapped it for a VW ID3, a little more expensive per month (PCP) but we charge it about 5 times a month at €7.50, depending how low it is. So instead of €200 a month for diesel, its about €37.50 a month for juice.
Bit of a no brainer really.
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How is the range on the ID.3 in respect to what you get versus what they say you should get?
 
EpsomWolf said:
The diesel/petrol cost equation was always based on the fact a diesel costs more to purchase. With everyone being scared of diesels the prices are tumbling. I bought a 2 year old motor to hedge my bets a bit but it was possible to get exactly the same car with much more efficient diesel power plant for the same or less - that would’ve been unheard of until recently.

This ulez thing and the recent cull has really freaked everyone out. It’s a brave move staying/going diesel but anyone not consumed by the green thing and is in an area unlikely to be gobbled up by ulez expansion zones any time soon then there’s probably never been a better time to buy one.

All options come at a price. Finding it all a bit of a pain in the arse to be honest.
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Ulez's are odd. In brum my 12 yo petrol car doesn't pay, but new hybrids, & new vehicles with lower emissions do have to pay.
 
Kenny said:
How is the range on the ID.3 in respect to what you get versus what they say you should get?
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It's less, of course it is, but we were told, "Dundalk and back 4 times a week, you should do it reasonably comfortable on one charge." (about €7.50) but, to get that that you put your cruise control on 110 kms/per hour (Usually in the Golf she'd be doing 130kph.)
Also, turn off your air con, but, put on your heated seats (3 settings) and if you want heated steering wheel, (Negligeable).
An interesting concept, but the seats do keep you nice and warm but the air in the car is cool.
Now in practice it works to an extent. But we both found that 110kph (68mph) is a touch slow and the reality is, that almost no one does 70mph dead on, on a motorway, so you'd frequently if not constantly find yourself getting hemmed in by some dibdob doing 60mph or a line of buses or buses and trucks/vans with limiters etc, so you have to work harder to stay clear of those traps...
But keeping all of that shit out of it, 100 - 110kph will get you your best return from your charged up battery.
 
Alan said:
Basically, yeah. But good to know I was right.
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Years ago I worked for a firm who provided technical consultants to local government. Every site that had outsourced to capita wanted to know how to get things done with the absolute minimal involvement from Capita because they were so expensive and shit, like deliberately un-cooperative and unhelpful.

Their wiki page paints a bleak picture about some of the 'services' they've ended up offering.
 
Tredman said:
There’s worse - they do a job governments ask them to do.
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They are shit but nothing compared to the 'consultancy' provided by twats like PwC.

Grifters all of them.
 
On the other hand Kenny, if you're not driving on a budget, and you want to flex your muscles it has unnerving acceleration, takes off like a rocket, a 2 ton rocket I might add, and is a real thrill to drive.
That said it'll eat your juice.
And the electrics are fucking phenominal!
There are 2 screens with 8 items on each one and you really need to learn these, because there are menus behind the menus behind that one!
Jane sets it on Auto and puts the cruise control on. Because it's a bit clever, the sat nav comes on automatically (either the excellent VW version or it instantly mirrors Google Earth from your phone) and it reads the road signs and uses satelite navigation so it always knows the speed of the road you're on. It tells you on the big screen the speed of the road and tells you what speed you're actually doing and it will slow you down (with a little exclamation mark next to the speed road sign if you're going more than 10kph faster than you should). Of course you can override that and drive as fast as you like.
So it'll drive you at the relevant speed of the road you're on from 20kph to 120. without you doing anything! A strange experience!
It's very close to driving itself. Obviously it comes with reactive cruise control and slows you down until the lorry in front gets out of the way, the runs you back up to speed.
 
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