Coronavirus

[Sniffer]

Be amazed if they happen for domestic use, just to complex and will cause huge issues.

You know that, I know that but........

• Johnson said Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, would lead the review. He said:

What I want to see is a proper review into the issue. That’s going to be led by Michael Gove, the chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, who will be getting the best scientific, moral, philosophical, ethical viewpoints on it and will work out a way forward.

 

[sycophantia]

Personally I'm not going to be happy if in June me and the missus are enjoying a meal out somewhere and wondering if the people sitting around us are scumbag anti vaccers.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I didn't like or trust the general public before Covid, nothing has changed there for me

The Brighton game was telling. Actually having to queue for the sink after going for a pee. Aye, because you manky fuckers don't normally bother washing your hands.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Prat Hancock is trying to re-write history to suggest that the nation was not short of PPE last year.

I'm must have been hallucinating when a government minister stood at the lectern at a press briefing stating that a plane full of goods was due from Turkey the next day to alleviate the problem. I must have dreaming too when a PPE helpline was introduced in order to try and get items that were running out.

This really fucked me off, very much of the Trump "alternative facts" mantra.

The irony is when defending his "unlawful" delay in getting the paperwork done the other day, he blamed the rush to get PPE into the country as quickly as he could!!

He can't have it both ways!

As for asking for congratulations and thanks for his team too, fuck off mate!

 

[Tony Towner]

I'd be all for passports from August 1st for all adults. Those with genuine exemptions which will be a fractional percentage can get a certificate to support them.
I respect people's rights to not have the jab, they have to respect the consequences of those rights.

Tbh I'm sure it'll be simple to buy a knockoff one off Ebay/Amazon

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

That pasty cunt Laurence Fox bought a fake "mask exemption" lanyard off Amazon.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I didn't like or trust the general public before Covid, nothing has changed there for me

The Brighton game was telling. Actually having to queue for the sink after going for a pee. Aye, because you manky fuckers don't normally bother washing your hands.

That was amazing wasn't it!

 

[Tom Hark]

That pasty cunt Laurence Fox bought a fake "mask exemption" lanyard off Amazon.

Mask exemption labels were and are available for free from the gov.uk website. There has never been a requirement to get any official documentation to declare yourself exempt. The only thing you need is a good reason to want to put yourself at risk or a deranged mind.

 

[leedswolf]

I know that reopening schools is an important step in ending the lockdown, but am I the only one who thinks school staff are being hung out to dry?

Recent data suggests it is spreading and transmitting fastest amongst primary school age children yet primary school staff are being made to be in a classroom with up to 30 or more other households without PPE for around 6 hours every day. If anyone else did that they'd be charged and fined, but it's ok for school staff? Why has vaccinating school staff not been a prerequisite for reopening schools?

Instead it seems school staff welfare and that of their families is being sacrificed because a whole bunch of people are sick of having their kids at home and the economy needs kids in school so their staff can get back to work. Teachers etc being the sacrificial lambs is complete bollocks to me.

Add to that, most parents I would imagine will be 50 years old or less and a significant group that has yet to be vaccinated.

 

[SSB]

Tbh I'm sure it'll be simple to buy a knockoff one off Ebay/Amazon

I’d be happier if the “vaccine passport” was electronically attached to your passport number, rather than a piece of paper you could easily obtain a copy off from Dodgy Dave down the pub to wave at the Jet2 checkin desk.

 

[AndyWolves]

To be a bit contrary I think the reason professions haven't been vaccinated is because other factors are stronger indicators as to whether a person will suffer from Covid complications.

I.e. Vaccinations for teachers and retail staff means someone else has to wait longer.

The way I see it, we can either

1) keep everything locked down until everyone is vaccinated

2) change the order around of vaccination order

3) keep things as they are planned to happen but monitor the impact on the NHS


I think 3) is the only workable solution, if we vaccine all teachers then every single profession exposed to the general public would want to be vaccinated. If we did this people more likely to suffer would have to wait longer to be vaccinated which would cause more pressure on the NHS and more deaths

 

[Parkins left foot]

The working populace most at risk are frontline NHS staff & care homes & they have already been offered the vaccine (even if a proportion haven't taken that up).

Data coming through that the vaccines do massively reduce the liklihood of a severe reaction & hospitalisation so just need to press on with the age ranges now. As that roles out it does start to protect those in other occupations that are younger and yet to receive the jab.

 

[AndyWolves]

The working populace most at risk are frontline NHS staff & care homes & they have already been offered the vaccine (even if a proportion haven't taken that up).

Data coming through that the vaccines do massively reduce the liklihood of a severe reaction & hospitalisation so just need to press on with the age ranges now. As that roles out it does start to protect those in other occupations that are younger and yet to receive the jab.

Sorry yes, I didn't say it but included frontline NHS and care homes in the vaccine priority groups

 

[Dire Wolf]

To be a bit contrary I think the reason professions haven't been vaccinated is because other factors are stronger indicators as to whether a person will suffer from Covid complications.

I.e. Vaccinations for teachers and retail staff means someone else has to wait longer.

The way I see it, we can either

1) keep everything locked down until everyone is vaccinated

2) change the order around of vaccination order

3) keep things as they are planned to happen but monitor the impact on the NHS


I think 3) is the only workable solution, if we vaccine all teachers then every single profession exposed to the general public would want to be vaccinated. If we did this people more likely to suffer would have to wait longer to be vaccinated which would cause more pressure on the NHS and more deaths

School staff aren't simply 'exposed to the general public' though are they? They are enclosed in the same room as up to 30 other households for 6 hours at a time without any form of PPE. That is not the same as the 'general public' and is in no way fair on staff in schools that are expected to just grit their teeth and get on with it in an environment where the data shows that it is spreading fastest amongst primary age children. Teachers just expected to take one for the team are they, simply because everyone else is sick of having their kids at home? Fuck that. Anyone who can't see that doesn't want to see that. School staff should be vaccinated before schools return, end of fucking story.

 

[Tredman]

But do you pick teachers ahead of other professions given this:

Covid: Teachers 'not at higher risk' of death than average

The highest-risk job roles were in restaurants, care work and manufacturing.

www.google.co.uk

And other research has said they are not at risk more than others. There are are plenty, my wife included, who have worked continually through the pandemic in public facing roles with older (and more infectious) people - why shouldn’t they be earlier?

 

[Dire Wolf]

Tell you what then, you go and shut yourself in a room for 6 hours with people from 30 other households and without PPE, and come back and tell us how safe you feel.

The fact that yesterday we had every news report going with Tory MPs telling us how important it is for schools to go back has worked really well, the Tory media machine has done its job here... Not a single news programme I saw or heard had a teacher or representative from an education union voicing their legitimate concerns.

And for the record, I am not a classroom teacher and I have had a partner who has worked throughout the pandemic in the retail sector so I understand the realities facing others. I just think the situation for teachers and other school staff is appalling.

 

[AndyWolves]

Tell you what then, you go and shut yourself in a room for 6 hours with people from 30 other households and without PPE, and come back and tell us how safe you feel.

The fact that yesterday we had every news report going with Tory MPs telling us how important it is for schools to go back has worked really well, the Tory media machine has done its job here... Not a single news programme I saw or heard had a teacher or representative from an education union voicing their legitimate concerns.

And for the record, I am not a classroom teacher and I have had a partner who has worked throughout the pandemic in the retail sector so I understand the realities facing others. I just think the situation for teachers and other school staff is appalling.

The data doesn't back you up here.

 

[North Shropshire Lad]

I'm in an age bracket that means I should get the jab within the next month or so. I'd happily wait an additional day or two max in order to see teachers vaccinated before the schools return. There are half a million teachers, roughly the same amount as the number of vaccinations we are delivering every Monday.

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm in an age bracket that means I should get the jab within the next month or so. I'd happily wait an additional day or two max in order to see teachers vaccinated before the schools return. There are half a million teachers, roughly the same amount as the number of vaccinations we are delivering every Monday.

Again, to play devils advocate, cleaners are more likely to die than teachers so shouldn't we first vaccine all the cleaners? Or taxi drivers, they're more likely to die too

 

[AndyWolves]

Anyway, Zoe have revised their estimates taking into account symptoms of vaccinations and have more than negated any rises in cases seen over the last few days