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Climate Change Debate

HAzelGroveWolf said:
I would suggest that such technologies will prove themselves when they have zero government hand outs for purchase and by virtue of poularity attract a tax.
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Certain luxury car brands are developing electric cars to avoid tax on their fleets not because of their consumers tax breaks or government handouts. You really do know very little which is becoming apparent and it's making you look more stupid with every post.
 
machin05 said:
Ah ok.
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Hybrids/EVs work well if they can exploit regenerative braking. That is by using the kinetic energy at speed to store that energy (electrically or mechanically) during braking for use on the next acceleration cycle. It is the reason why electric trains have been prefered for 50 years.
The problem of efficiency of supply of ultimately lost energy however remains an issue. Is it better to burn fuel in a power station or in the car?
 
Johnny75 said:
Certain luxury car brands are developing electric cars to avoid tax on their fleets not because of their consumers tax breaks or government handouts. You really do know very little which is becoming apparent and it's making you look more stupid with every post.
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So £5K for those that can afford what is still a high price for an EV is OK?
I will argue that the dramatic efficiency improvement in diesel ICE over the last decades trumps all of that.
High standards of toxic emission control, no range anxiety and low loss in the supply. All an EV does is defer emissions to a forgotten factory utilising coal, CCGT or nuclear.
No need for the insults...
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I would suggest that such technologies will prove themselves when they have zero government hand outs for purchase and by virtue of popularity attract a tax.
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Subsidised green energy = bad. Subsidised nuclear = good.
 
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http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/june/50states-renewable-energy-060815.html

Solid evidence that the US could be 100% renewable by 2050.

I mean, they're only engineers from Stanford, they're not some egocentric poster on a webforum with a track record of being wrong, but maybe they have a point.....
 

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Ah right, you really expect the entire US to be able to load balance to that degree? Be predictive of the climate/weather to have certainty of supply. Fanciful prediction I'm afraid projected so far into the future as to be non-falsifiable.
Academic drivel.
It also completely ignores other energy uses apart from electricity supply and the fact that the US cannot have significant effect on global carbon dioxide production.
A different perspective here:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/climatologist-we-have-moral-imperative-burn-fossil-fuels
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
They aren't, various bodies have tried to claim they are because in their opinion they aren't taxed enough.
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Weird, I guess I must have imagined the Oil Pollution Act of 1990.

Or the $1.25billion the US government gives oil companies each year in the name of "exploration and equipment".

But no, not really subsidies, are they?
 
FFS, even the IMF admits it.
 
Im sure the IMF will revise their figures once HGW provides a full suite of contrary evidence.
 
The Bear said:
I'd really like a hybrid or electric car.

Currently though they are too expensive. I don't have a garage or driveway where I could plug it in overnight either. Plus the range per charge isn't good enough yet.
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and they are shit to drive.
 
Alan USA said:
FFS, even the IMF admits it.
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The article straight up points out that the subsidy is perceived and unproven environmental costs as I pointed out. Despite struggles the oil and gas industries are net tax contributors in both the UK and the US.
 
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