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Climate Change Debate

Visage said:
Reasonable expectation in the coming decades? Just like solar then:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/us-solar-iea-electricity-idUKKCN0HO11K20140929
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If we take that at face value then it demonstrates that there is a practical ceiling on the potential for renewables. Remember that article addresses only electricity supply. It is not clear whether the other demands for energy will have shifted to electricity demand at that time (transport, heat exchange). Best of luck with a solar powered cargo ship.
As usual life cycle environmental costs are ignored.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
If we take that at face value then it demonstrates that there is a practical ceiling on the potential for renewables. Remember that article addresses only electricity supply. It is not clear whether the other demands for energy will have shifted to electricity demand at that time (transport, heat exchange). Best of luck with a solar powered cargo ship.
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Best of luck with a molten salt nuclear reactor powered cargo ship.

But of course, for your pet technologies different rules apply....which brings us on to:

As usual life cycle environmental costs are ignored.
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Are we igoring the 100Bn+ costs of decomissioning nuclear reactors? Im pretty sure decomissioning a wind turbine is pretty cheap in comparison.....
 
Visage said:
Best of luck with a molten salt nuclear reactor powered cargo ship.

But of course, for your pet technologies different rules apply....which brings us on to:



Are we igoring the 100Bn+ costs of decomissioning nuclear reactors? Im pretty sure decomissioning a wind turbine is pretty cheap in comparison.....
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Depends on whether that solitary wind turbine did anything net useful in its lifetime. In any case why are you comparing a solitary wind turbine with an entire productive industry.
The reason I brought up the potential of new nuclear technologies is that they can potentially produce less waste or utilise existing waste.
The point on shipping was to highlight the variety of energy expenditure we have and that a good deal of it does not lend itself to low energy density sources.
 
Johnny75 said:
And before HGW chimes in with 'it won't work' I know it does as I've seen it and I know several Coventry based companies that already have the working model to make this financially viable across Europe.
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Who knew? "As is the case with most technology, advances come in stages. As breakthroughs happen in the electric vehicle market, demand for them will rise and more people will shift to the newer, lower-emission technology."
 
Wonder how that would work out in terms of how roads are used.

Is the recharging lane for electric vehicles only? If so are they restricted to using only that lane? And would they be allowed to effectively undertake other traffic using the 'normal' lanes?

Suppose you could just leave the road to operate as they do now, no special treatment for electric vehicles and the transfer technology is just embedded into the existing left hand lane which is then still used primarily by HGVs, electric vehicles then have free reign to drive as they wish as now but have to tolerate being stuck being a load of trucks doing 56mph if they need to charge.
 
I think that could make the middle lane hogger problem even worse.
 
Laughable. It makes HS2 vaguely sane.
Makes a nice project for a few goverment agency employees. More physical loses for the ill-concieved electric road transport fantasy.
It reminds me of the GEC autoguide project some 30-40 years ago, too much of a transport infrastructure investment to be effective. GPS became the solution.
There is a requirement to provide the electrical energy to supply such a system at the required rate. Energy harvesting from the so called renewables cannot achieve this.
 
You're a complete fucking imbecile HGW. Either that or just a WUM.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Like who?
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As I'm under NDA and one of their CEO's is an investor in my company I'm hardly likely to give their name out on a football forum. But look if you don't believe me you can just fuck off for all I care. I stand by my previous comment, you're a fucking imbecile.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Well, your evidence?
Fair challenge.
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Perhaps you don't know what an NDA is but it is a non-disclosure agreement. Therefore I cannot disclose that information.

I know you don't believe other people know more than you but in this case they do. Deal with it.
 
Johnny75 said:
As I'm under NDA and one of their CEO's is an investor in my company I'm hardly likely to give their name out on a football forum. But look if you don't believe me you can just fuck off for all I care. I stand by my previous comment, you're a fucking imbecile.
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Fine if you can magic up this wonderful new electromagnetic energy transfer technology that is vaguely efficient and can be cost effective.
There are some serious physical challenges as well as capital investment challenges for government.
Bottom line is that it is better to carry the energy supply with you and there is plenty of distance to go with ICE technology.
You still haven't shown how all the required electrical energy is to be supplied.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Fine if you can magic up this wonderful new electromagnetic energy transfer technology that is vaguely efficient and can be cost effective.
There are some serious physical challenges as well as capital investment challenges for government.
Bottom line is that it is better to carry the energy supply with you and there is plenty of distance to go with ICE technology.
You still haven't shown how all the required electrical energy is to be supplied.
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You're still living in your world. I have not said I could do any of that. I've said I've seen it work and I know of companies that can scale the tech with ease and cost effectively. I also know that carrying the current energy supply is part of the problem and offloading this reduces weight which reduces the need for power. But there are far more skilled folk doing this than me and you. You will have to deal with the fact you are not the most knowledgable person in the room. This will be hard for you I'm sure. And I still think you're a WUM.
 
They're already doing it in Japan with some kind of public transport aren't they? Not to a large scale but it is working in the real world just fine.
 
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