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Climate Change Debate

HAzelGroveWolf said:
You have to demonstrate that it is a problem independent of all else.
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You've already conceded that CO2 is changing the climate - so now you're somehow saying that the way its changing isnt detrimental?
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Answer my question and explain why you are worried. A couple of sentances should cover it.
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I don't know and I'm not particularly worried about it. But to act like it isn't true is just a nonsense.

Increased CO2 emissions + rampant deforestation = bad news bears. You don't have to know all the numbers to know that.

It's quite like glacial melting in that regard. I'm not going to drown in rising seas but at some point it becomes an issue.
 
Alan USA said:
I don't know and I'm not particularly worried about it. But to act like it isn't true is just a nonsense.

Increased CO2 emissions + rampant deforestation = bad news bears. You don't have to know all the numbers to know that.

It's quite like glacial melting in that regard. I'm not going to drown in rising seas but at some point it becomes an issue.
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Funny that one of the Carolinas sees fit to export wood chippings to the UK Drax coal fired power station to mitigate 'carbon' emissions.
 
So it is a toxic gas! Thank you. It's the toxicity that stimulates breathing. As stated WEL 5000ppm LTEL. IIRC atmosphere at sea level contains 0.03% CO2.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Funny that one of the Carolinas sees fit to export wood chippings to the UK Drax coal fired power station to mitigate 'carbon' emissions.
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That is an impressive strawman.

So following this logic, I will now apply all UKIP policies as your own personal views and disregard everything you say based on your racism.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
In unusual concentrations natural or industrial death will occur. Please context the atmospheric concentration, importantly that due to man.
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Atmospheric CO2 concentrations are not toxic - but then no-one has claimed they are. Its the secondary effect of that CO2 that is the problem. But then you know that, but are trying to muddy the waters. Again.
 
Alan USA said:
I don't know and I'm not particularly worried about it. But to act like it isn't true is just a nonsense.

Increased CO2 emissions + rampant deforestation = bad news bears. You don't have to know all the numbers to know that.

It's quite like glacial melting in that regard. I'm not going to drown in rising seas but at some point it becomes an issue.
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FYI carbon dioxide concentration runs at about 400ppm of which 97% is produced through natural processes. Alarmed now?
 
The problem is that in pre-industrial times CO2 was only at about 280 ppm. So we've increased it by 42%, which is why we're now seeing a consequential build up of heat.
 
leedswolf said:
So it is a toxic gas! Thank you. It's the toxicity that stimulates breathing. As stated WEL 5000ppm LTEL. IIRC atmosphere at sea level contains 0.03% CO2.
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Circular aguement if there ever was one. So you are quite happy with 300ppm, I'm happy at 400ppm and beyond.
 
Visage said:
The problem is that in pre-industrial times CO2 was only at about 280 ppm. So we've increased it by 42%, which is why we're now seeing a consequential build up of heat.
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No temperature correlation with CO2 has existed for near two decades. Increased concentration likely has beneficial effects.
 
Alan USA said:
That is an impressive strawman.

So following this logic, I will now apply all UKIP policies as your own personal views and disregard everything you say based on your racism.
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Why the angst? No need for the ad hominen. I don't have a political view expressed on here, I feel free to express my independent thought.
You would be advised to retract the racist claim and your assertion of my political affiliation (I voted tory if you must know, as is my right).
My political considerations don't necessarily align with any party.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
No temperature correlation with CO2 has existed for near two decades.
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Yeah. No relationship there at all.....
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Why the angst? No need for the ad hominen. I don't have a political view expressed on here, I feel free to express my independent thought.
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No angst, I'm just using your own argument. You've taken a policy of "one of the Carolinas" and applied to my personal views. Which makes no sense at all as I don't control state policy in the least.
 
Alan USA said:
No angst, I'm just using your own argument. You've taken a policy of "one of the Carolinas" and applied to my personal views. Which makes no sense at all as I don't control state policy in the least.
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I just hoped you would see the absurdity.
 
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