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Lord Knows said:
Scotland and Wales have now put a stop to potential fracking while further evidence is gathered. Germany have a fracking ban in place.
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Good. Nip it in the bud before the greedy energy companies start relying on its profits.

Alan USA said:
Fracking permits are being prepared to be issued in North Carolina so I'm sure I'll have more to input on that subject quite soon.
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Sorry to hear it. The biggest and most immediate problems are local, so unless you're near where the fracking is actually being done, you probably won't notice much. That isn't to say there aren't issues to be concerned with, like polluting the water table or chemical runoff that isn't cleaned up.
 
-19 in parts of northern Spain this week, with a metre of snow in some northern villages.
 
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You realize that the manipulation in that article only accounts for one third of the warming in Australia's data, right?
 
Alan USA said:
You realize that the manipulation in that article only accounts for one third of the warming in Australia's data, right?
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You'll get nowhere with sense here Alan.

Best to walk away from this thread and just accept Hazelgrove is correct and every sensible scientist is wrong.
 
Alan USA said:
You realize that the manipulation in that article only accounts for one third of the warming in Australia's data, right?
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Yes I read that, I also read the arguement against the adjustment, also the abandonment of one temperature series to another. We are playing with meaningless temperature ranges of fractions of a degree Celcius. Even if the BOM is right it represents a small part of the world. Even if we believe the now corrected global surface temperature records (NOAA/GISS/HadCRUT) there is no statistically significant warming. It is flat...
Climate changes, get used to it, there is nothing that some fanciful global treaty can do about it.
As for your anti-hydraulic fracturing position, a mineral recovery process for decades, why do you perceive it to be a threat compared to other mineral recovery processes essential to economic growth that all people might benefit from? All human pursuit requires risk management.
 
tredman said:
You'll get nowhere with sense here Alan.

Best to walk away from this thread and just accept Hazelgrove is correct and every sensible scientist is wrong.
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Your appreciation of the scientific method is demonstrated where?
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Yes I read that, I also read the arguement against the adjustment, also the abandonment of one temperature series to another. We are playing with meaningless temperature ranges of fractions of a degree Celcius. Even if the BOM is right it represents a small part of the world. Even if we believe the now corrected global surface temperature records (NOAA/GISS/HadCRUT) there is no statistically significant warming. It is flat...
Climate changes, get used to it, there is nothing that some fanciful global treaty can do about it.
As for your anti-hydraulic fracturing position, a mineral recovery process for decades, why do you perceive it to be a threat compared to other mineral recovery processes essential to economic growth that all people might benefit from? All human pursuit requires risk management.
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I've not said anything about my position on hydrofracking.

I'm curious what your explanation is for the disappearance of glaciers at a rate never before seen in global history?
 
Alan USA said:
I've not said anything about my position on hydrofracking.

I'm curious what your explanation is for the disappearance of glaciers at a rate never before seen in global history?
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I would like to see your data for deglaciation. So far as I am aware there is no inconsistancy with natural variation expected with the current interglacial. The antarctic peninsular might have some retreat due to vulcanism but the rest of antarctica is building.
Even in human timescales there is plenty of demonstrated oscillation elsewhere.
 
Vis has been there and done that and you ignored it, there's not much point in going round it again. Hence my post to Alan!
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I would like to see your data for deglaciation. So far as I am aware there is no inconsistancy with natural variation expected with the current interglacial. The antarctic peninsular might have some retreat due to vulcanism but the rest of antarctica is building.
Even in human timescales there is plenty of demonstrated oscillation elsewhere.
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It's presented in the Nat Geo documentary Chasing Ice.

Good film regardless.

It's on Netflix if you wanna take a look.
 
tredman said:
Vis has been there and done that and you ignored it, there's not much point in going round it again. Hence my post to Alan!
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I've never consciously ignored Vis or anyone for that matter. I offer a genuine challenge to views that come from the politically entrenched.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
I've never consciously ignored Vis or anyone for that matter. I offer a genuine challenge to views that come from the politically entrenched.
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Politics have nothing to do with correctly reasoned scientific conclusions.

As far as I can see there is only one person on this thread making posts based on political dogma.
 
Have you actually watched it? Some of the statistics are alarming and not simply the result of natural variation.
 
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