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Climate Change Debate

tredman said:
Politics have nothing to do with correctly reasoned scientific conclusions.

As far as I can see there is only one person on this thread making posts based on political dogma.
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Your judgement of correct science holds? You have no idea. I avoid political affiliation although I campaign on a number of issues.
 
But you can't make up that the Earth's current natural cycle dictates that we should be cooling, and instead we are warming.
 
Alan USA said:
But you can't make up that the Earth's current natural cycle dictates that we should be cooling, and instead we are warming.
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That is a guess and the reasons for it are a guess. There are many cyclical processes at play, we don't know all of them and the ones we do know suggest cooling.
 
It's not a guess, it's the Milankovitch Cycle.
 
Guys, why are you even bothering? You cant reason someone out of a position that isn't based on reason.

There are literally billions of things more worthy of your time than trying to educate the deliberately ignorant.
 
Forensic masochism runs in my family.
 
I hear ya.

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Visage said:
Guys, why are you even bothering? You cant reason someone out of a position that isn't based on reason.

There are literally billions of things more worthy of your time than trying to educate the deliberately ignorant.
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The same could be said about you especially as you ignore any challenge on energy sourcing. No doubt you will dismiss the following as right-wing American trash but it does emphasise the problem at hand:
http://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2015/02/07/divesting-people-of-better-living-standards-n1953986/page/full
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
The same could be said about you especially as you ignore any challenge on energy sourcing. No doubt you will dismiss the following as right-wing American trash but it does emphasise the problem at hand:
http://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2015/02/07/divesting-people-of-better-living-standards-n1953986/page/full
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I dont ignore 'any challenge'. I ignore challenges from ignorant denialists who are more interested in pushing an agenda than seeking the truth.

(Thats you, in case you're wondering)
 
Visage said:
I dont ignore 'any challenge'. I ignore challenges from ignorant denialists who are more interested in pushing an agenda than seeking the truth.

(Thats you, in case you're wondering)
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Ignorant, hardly. All you can manage is a stock ad hominem. I seek the truth and if you did you would answer my question on energy. I would respect your response correct or otherwise.
 
Alan USA said:
It's not right-wing American trash, it's insultingly shallow neoliberal drivel.
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So you disagree that we might expect global energy supply from 'renewables' might only be 15% by 2040. There is a US government report referenced in there. Care to go and make your point there?
 
Alan USA said:
It's presented in the Nat Geo documentary Chasing Ice.

Good film regardless.

It's on Netflix if you wanna take a look.
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I'll check that out when I get time. I like a good netflix documentary and if our resident climate change denier disagrees with it then it must be worth a watch!
 
Tyrannosaurus Dan said:
I'll check that out when I get time. I like a good netflix documentary and if our resident climate change denier disagrees with it then it must be worth a watch!
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I doubt you will find my views isolated in the general populous. In the professional engineering community there is plenty of debate, afterall that is where any solutions are to be found.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Tim Ball presents an exceĺlent view on atmospheric physics here, I'm guessing the political green blindfold will be applied irrespective of the veracity of the article.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/08/thanks-to-the-ipcc-the-public-doesnt-know-water-vapor-is-most-important-greenhouse-gas/
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This article doesn't really say anything, though. It simply states "water vapor makes up 95% of greenhouse gases" but then makes absolutely no argument as to whether this changes the degree to which humans influence climate change.
 
HAzelGroveWolf said:
Tim Ball presents an exceĺlent view on atmospheric physics here, I'm guessing the political green blindfold will be applied irrespective of the veracity of the article.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/08/thanks-to-the-ipcc-the-public-doesnt-know-water-vapor-is-most-important-greenhouse-gas/
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Is that Tim Ball the creationist?

Scraping the barrel a bit, arent we?

And anyone that can say 'This claim is false because CO2 levels have risen for 18+ years while temperature hasn’t increased, in contradiction to their major assumption that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase.' clearly is an idiot. Global temperatures *have* increased.

Reference: http://skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=65

Why make such a basic error, unless your aim is to mislead?
 
Alan USA said:
This article doesn't really say anything, though. It simply states "water vapor makes up 95% of greenhouse gases" but then makes absolutely no argument as to whether this changes the degree to which humans influence climate change.
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It also omits the reason *why* water vapour is disregarded - the main reason is that we cant do a lot about the amount of water vapour, since its entirely down to that standard evaporation/precipitation cycle we all learn about in primary school. Water vapour levels are also highly variable, whereas CO2 lingers in the atmosphere for decades.

Elementary mistakes from a denialist preaching to the crowd.
 
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