Burnley 2-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[AndyWolves]

We started with the same formation as the last game

Fair, we did start with players at least notionally in their right positions though

 

[Wilf Wolf]

We started with the same formation as the last game

No we didn't. Silva started and played much further forward than OO, and as a result Neto and Pod looked far better.

 

[Del Woppio]

We started with the same formation as the last game

It's far from the same in reality though, in terms of shape or system. A DM debuting at #10, and two wingers up top.

 

[YoungWolf]

No we didn't. Silva started and played much further forward than OO, and as a result Neto and Pod looked far better.

Yes we did.

It was Podence behind Neto and Silva against Chelsea. This time it was Otasowie behind Podence and Neto.

We should have just stuck with the former (or how we finished the game on tuesday) though.

 

[Johnny75]

Difficult to know what to say about that. Burnley could've scored 4 pretty comfortably, and other than a few hail maries from outside the box, Pope didn't have much to do.

We're fucking BORING. Not even in the 'boring specifically to get results' kind of way that you can expect with certain squads, but just in a clueless offensively way. You can't really level at us that it's philosophical, we've frequently got plenty of attacking talent on the pitch.

It doesn't look like revolution to me, I'll be honest. It just looks like confused messaging and like we're lurching from shape to shape - but won't even stick to one after a win. Tbh I think he's a bit stuck in his own head.

Can I suggest you stop supporting Wolves and try Leeds, much more your cup of tea.

 

[Lycan]

I do struggle to make sense of the team selection for today. I get why he's thought that today might not have been the game for Fábio up against Mee/Tarkowski but to play Otasowie instead...

I get the reason why, he's in there for his physicality that we were clearly going to lack with Raúl & Dendoncker out but it all seems a bit Kenny Jackett to me. Power!

We would've been much better off with Fábio or Vitinha.

 

[Kenny]

Is Owen a DM? Whenever I see him play for the U23's he is always well forward. We have essentially tried to play him in the Alf role from the Championship as he is the only player we could really use as a target...and then proceeded not to create anything for said target.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Yes we did.

It was Podence behind Neto and Silva against Chelsea. This time it was Otasowie behind Podence and Neto.

We should have just stuck with the former (or how we finished the game on tuesday) though.

But Pod and Silva play in a completely different way so formation was different.

 

[Jeb01]

Nuno probably in trouble after his comments about the referee. But surprised by them to be honest.

 

[YoungWolf]

I do struggle to make sense of the team selection for today. I get why he's thought that today might not have been the game for Fábio up against Mee/Tarkowski but to play Otasowie instead...

I get the reason why, he's in there for his physicality that we were clearly going to lack with Raúl & Dendoncker out but it all seems a bit Kenny Jackett to me. Power!

We would've been much better off with Fábio or Vitinha.

Think players like Podence and Neto really need a focal point. On Tuesday it weirdly turned out to be Traore in the second half. They need players in front of them when the opposition are set in their shape.

 

[Aikiwolf]

Playing players out of position and tinkering with formations every game. For me, these are traditional "early warning" signs that a manager is getting desperate

I completely agree, add in calling out Lee Mason, who was a bit rubbish but not really that bad, and it looks like he's worried.

He knows he's spent a decent wedge of money, Fosun have lofty ambitions and we are playing some pretty bad football at the moment.

Today we had no attacking pattern and we've totally lost our defensive shape.

 

[Johnny75]

Is Owen a DM? Whenever I see him play for the U23's he is always well forward. We have essentially tried to play him in the Alf role from the Championship as he is the only player we could really use as a target...and then proceeded not to create anything for said target.

Very much a box to box type player to me, should be played with Neves/ Moutinho instead of in front of them.

 

[Del Woppio]

Can I suggest you stop supporting Wolves and try Leeds, much more your cup of tea.

Why would I do that? I'm not from Leeds and football doesn't really work like that. Appreciate the suggestion though.

Anyway, back to wolves.

I'd just quite like us to find a way to get our quality, attacking footballers, play some consistent, quality, attacking football. I don't think that's wildly unreasonable.

 

[Kenny]

Nuno probably in trouble after his comments about the referee. But surprised by them to be honest.

Christmas bonus burning a hole in his pocket. Can't spend it on flights to get his family over for Christmas.

I don't think he is a manager acting as he is in trouble I think he is a man genuinly struggling with how things are right now. He is big on family and he can't see his and he is big on creating a family within the team and outside of training and games he cannot do that currently. Please don't take that as an excuse for tonight, he got it wrong and the players generally also got it wrong.

 

[redvictor]

Christmas bonus burning a hole in his pocket. Can't spend it on flights to get his family over for Christmas.

I don't think he is a manager acting as he is in trouble I think he is a man genuinly struggling with how things are right now. He is big on family and he can't see his and he is big on creating a family within in the team and outside of training and games he cannot do that currently. Please don't take that as an excuse for tonight, he got it wrong and the players generally also got it wrong.

Nailed it there.

 

[Lycan]

Think players like Podence and Neto really need a focal point. On Tuesday it weirdly turned out to be Traore in the second half. They need players in front of them when the opposition are set in their shape.

Aye, they needed someone there to draw defenders out of position and create space. Either that or they needed the players behind them to be a lot faster in transition. Burnley are so quick to get back into their shape when they lose the ball.

 

[ROVERT47]

Christmas bonus burning a hole in his pocket. Can't spend it on flights to get his family over for Christmas.

I don't think he is a manager acting as he is in trouble I think he is a man genuinly struggling with how things are right now. He is big on family and he can't see his and he is big on creating a family within in the team and outside of training and games he cannot do that currently. Please don't take that as an excuse for tonight, he got it wrong and the players generally also got it wrong.

Still talking sense I see.

 

[Johnny75]

Why would I do that? I'm not from Leeds and football doesn't really work like that. Appreciate the suggestion though.

Anyway, back to wolves.

I'd just quite like us to find a way to get our quality, attacking footballers, play some consistent, quality, attacking football. I don't think that's wildly unreasonable.

Did you miss the second half of the Chelsea game?

And if you want consistent attacking football Leeds is definitely your team. Spoiler - they’re a bit shit defensively, exciting to watch and in no way boring.

Of course if you want both I hear there are some pigs taking off soon.

No team is consistently attacking and brilliantly defensive bar Liverpool and they get humped every now and again. City are struggling to create and Spurs are dull as Mourinho sides tend to be.

We’re a mid-table team and inconsistency at this level is always going to be likely.

 

[Kenny]

Burnley are so quick to get back into their shape when they lose the ball.

As bad as we were you also have to give them credit. They make it so frigging hard and you get what we did tonight, over thinking how to break them down.
From the last few years, I would say just wear the Man City kit as Burnley fold whenever they see that

 

[AndyWolves]

Is Owen a DM? Whenever I see him play for the U23's he is always well forward. We have essentially tried to play him in the Alf role from the Championship as he is the only player we could really use as a target...and then proceeded not to create anything for said target.

He's always been a box to box midfielder, getting the ball of the defence and laying it off or breaking forward. A 10 he is not.

I feel his best role would have at the other end of the pitch helping our CBs and Neves in midfield