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Elephant Pyjamas said:
I have no sympathy for the bloke at all, obviously. He's a cunt and deserved the shoeing, but i am not comfortable with it being deemed acceptable and proportional by the police themselves.
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Its not about it being acceptable its making sure they put him out of action in a highly volatile situation.
 
Menezes was investigated and no officers charged, you can disagree with that decision and that's fine.

Something that would be a fairer comparison would be Dalian Atkinson.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Like Menezes?
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That's the second time you have asked this and at the time, in the immediate aftermath of 7/7 the forces were on high alert after a series of bombings. If I recall he was asked several times to stop but instead ran off, hurdling barriers rather than just comply - a terrible tragedy and totally unacceptable but this was a case of officers using force to disarm and dangerous cunt who was out to murder anyone who got in his way
 
basher said:
Menezes was investigated and no officers charged, you can disagree with that decision and that's fine.

Something that would be a fairer comparison would be Dalian Atkinson.
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Yep another good example.

No officers being charged for someone getting shot dead though, damn right I don't agree with it.

These are the reasons (and there a plenty more) I see stuff like this in broad daylight and wonder what has and does go on when the cameras aren't there.
 
Do you think that every police shooting incident should result in an officer being charged?
 
I knew this was going to come up on here and I knew someone was going to blame the police…

Mind blowing.

He’s carrying a knife. He’s asked to drop it and doesn’t, he’s resisting. As PK said in other counties he’s shot dead and everyone moves on…

What’s the alternative, try and wrestle the knife out his hand and risk your life? Police officers risking their life for very little reward by disarming someone trying to kill people yet people sitting on the sideline who would likely do nothing or run away.

Is Policing sometimes disproportionate? Of course it is. But this isn’t one of those cases.
 
Lupo said:
That's the second time you have asked this and at the time, in the immediate aftermath of 7/7 the forces were on high alert after a series of bombings. If I recall he was asked several times to stop but instead ran off, hurdling barriers rather than just comply - a terrible tragedy and totally unacceptable but this was a case of officers using force to disarm and dangerous cunt who was out to murder anyone who got in his way
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Nope, thats not what happened at all.

Thats what was reported initially, but following the investigation it was proven to be bollocks.

He ran to catch his train, at that moment completely unaware that he was being watched and pursed. He was pulled off the train and shot 7 times in the head, they'd wrongly identified him in part because of his "Mongolian Eyes".

Menezes could not have saved his life https://share.google/968BlZedcxEd7dn6R

"Jean Charles de Menezes was not warned or challenged by police before he was shot seven times in the head, it was revealed yesterday.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) report said police had given the Brazilian no instruction "that an innocent man would have understood".

IPCC Commissioner Naseem Malik said: "There is no action he could have consciously taken that would have saved him"."
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He had no opportunity to save his own life at all.

Have a read it's far, far more damning than you are remembering.

The initial reports always protect the police though don't they? In the hope that no one scratches the surface.

No one faced charges for this.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Politically misguided.

Nothing he said was wrong though.
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Well. He is a politician.

If my plumber had made a massive mistake and my house was full of sewage it would be of limited comfort to hear it was only a mistake on a fluvial level. I imagine his PR team feel the same about the shit they’ve now got to clean up.
 
I don't think any of us think what happened to Menezes was acceptable and I accept what you're saying about 'what if they have the wrong man' but in this case, the perpetrator was literally at the scene, carrying a knife dripping with his victims blood and the Police used the force they felt was necessary to disarm him
 
Polanski has apologised for sharing the post criticising the officers.
 
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