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What a load of pious rubbish and yet more hysterical misrepresentation.

Who's given them a round of fucks on here exactly?

Can the 'right side of the argument' you and EP are on not withstand a simple question?
If it helps I found their core values


There doesn't seem to be anything in there that excludes the UK at Christmas.
 
Ok PK, I don't think you're arguing about strategy, or optics, or “ordinary voters”. You’re actually arguing about who is allowed to be empathised with, and under what conditions.

What has happened is that the moment migrants are presented as human beings rather than abstractions, the conversation immediately shifts to whether that empathy is allowed unless it’s offset, qualified, or domestically pre-approved.

Meanwhile, relentless immigration rhetoric from Reform (and often the Tories), frequently dehumanising, gets a free pass. No balancing requirement. No companion pieces. No hand-wringing about tone.

That’s not realism or fairness. It’s revealing.

Calling this “pious rubbish”, Corbynism, or a messiah complex is just sneering in place of an argument. It avoids saying the quiet part out loud, which is that you’re uncomfortable with migrants being presented as people at all unless it comes with a disclaimer about UK suffering first.

You keep insisting you’re asking a “simple question”, but it’s already been answered. Polanski talks constantly about domestic issues: housing, poverty, cost of living, on TV, radio, QT, podcasts, YouTube. You keep ignonoring that and saying you haven't been answered, so i keep making the point.

If you think humanising migrants is wrong, say that.

If you think voters can’t hold more than one moral concern at once, say that.

Once empathy has to be balanced to be permitted, it stops being empathy.
 
Really interesting read here, paywalled but you can do a free trail:


Includes the amazing fact that the precursors to both Reform and the Greens were founded by the same family.

We’re such a bunch of forelock tugging wankers when it comes to posh rich cunts telling us what to do.
 
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I'm fully on board with Bernie Sanders, there should be jo such thing as billionaires. 999 999 999.99 should be enough for anyone. Clearly it will take a generation or 3 to claw back that money without crashing the economy but it needs to be done.
 
Blair was never that smug until he got into his second term. I get the dislike of Starmer, I do too, but can someone please layout in a few bullet points what you like about this guy? As I just don't get it.
 
Blair was never that smug until he got into his second term. I get the dislike of Starmer, I do too, but can someone please layout in a few bullet points what you like about this guy? As I just don't get it.
It's the policies for me. But he's a very good communicator. He gets it. No waffle. He's normal too - no posh education, bang average university. And he's aggressive in calling out the other parties bullshit - Greens were never like that before.
 
Blair was never that smug until he got into his second term. I get the dislike of Starmer, I do too, but can someone please layout in a few bullet points what you like about this guy? As I just don't get it.
I quite like the bit where he thinks the gap between poor people and rich people is too big and is prepared to call it out. Quite telling how upsetting that is to people though
 
I quite like the bit where he thinks the gap between poor people and rich people is too big and is prepared to call it out

Most 10 year olds with a conscience would do the same, but that's not the only skillset you need to be taken seriously as an opposition leader or PM
 
I think you missed my point while looking for a pithy retort.

What do you think of his grasp of international relations are like, judging by the video I linked above?
 
I think you missed my point while looking for a pithy retort.

The fucking irony.

What do you think of his grasp of international relations are like, judging by the video I linked above?

Firstly - I originally responded to TT, who said what was there to like about him. You’re the one who started with a “pithy retort” as usual when anything left wing rears its head.

Secondly - I think I largely agree with him that we should be finding every way to be more aligned with the EU than the US. The problem obviously is that we are in the position we are in which I don’t think he’s oblivious to.
 
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