Wolves 1-4 Brighton: Verdict Thread

[Tony Towner]

I wasn't referring to the system on Saturday, I was talking about the system we played 18 months ago (which the original poster was referring to) when we had those defenders who apparently would have 'taken Minamino's legs away'. Coady wouldn't have got near him either, and Semedo was already at the club

Bloody long legs, he's in Monaco

 

[BillyDee]

Was this done on the basis that there was going to be a partial team rebuild that never materialised?

It was part of the purge of dressing room leaders (along with Ruddy), because spineless Bruno couldn't deal with strong characters.

 

[Tony Towner]

It was part of the purge of dressing room leaders (along with Ruddy), because spineless Bruno couldn't deal with strong characters.

Jonny would have gone as well if we could have found someone to take him. That particular search is ongoing

 

[prawnking]

Bloody long legs, he's in Monaco

Apologies, not had morning coffee yet...Mitoma

 

[Tony Towner]

Apologies, not had morning coffee yet...Mitoma

Obviously you can't predict where he'd be on the pitch but it was Moutinho who was the king of the tactical foul. Neves did it, but lacked his subtlety, hence the yellows.

 

[prawnking]

I seem to remember Lingard waltzing past most of our defence from the halfway line 2 1/2 years ago and Saiss didn't stop him then, so I don't think the original poster's line of thinking holds much water tbh

 

[Wolftone]

There's nothing wrong with the system if you have a team that can retain possession, however when you lose it your defensive players are left on their islands and are individually not good enough for that, whilst your CMs are out of position. City could play Brighton like that and take them apart as they'd have retained possession and pushed their centre backs really high removing that 40 yards of space Brighton utilised for the 2nd to 4th goals. They'd have taken their chances if offered them like we were in the first half. Villa try to do the same thing with their centre halves under Emery with varying results.

De Zerbi saw that in the first half and instructed his team how to take advantage of it at ht. So although you could say those goals were down to individual errors we were set up for them to capitalise on them. Brave for trying it or naive for thinking we'd keep the ball as required depending on your take.

Basically you're saying, we lost possession and they hit us on the break, and our defenders are not good enough to cope with that.
The onus was on us to win the game as we were at home.
We did similar to Man U at Old Trafford - (only we couldn't put the ball in the net).
We could have resorted to Lopetegui's way of playing, when we had Neves, by passing it backwards and sideways between Neves, Dawson, Kilman etc which would have less risk, not good to watch but percentage wise safer.
We wouldn't create many chances, or score many goals, but we'd be 'in the game' for longer (until we went behind of course and had to chase the game).
Who scores the first goal is vital in the game these days.
Last Monday and on Saturday we had chances to score and didn't take them. If we had, the games take on a completely different perspective.
Improving in that area is the No. 1 priority for me.

 

[prawnking]

We could have resorted to Lopetegui's way of playing, when we had Neves, by passing it backwards and sideways between Neves, Dawson, Kilman etc which would have less risk, not good to watch but percentage wise safer.

'Resorted' That pesky way of playing that got us off the bottom of the league when we looked dead and buried and took us to comfortable safety?

Credit where it's due FFS

 

[Tony Towner]

I'm finding the O'Neil versus Lopetegui TWF culture war as tedious as the Nuno versus Lage one. A criticism /observation of one isn't immediately an endorsement of the other and vice versa. They can be stand alone observations

 

[Wolftone]

'Resorted' That pesky way of playing that got us off the bottom of the league when we looked dead and buried and took us to comfortable safety?

Credit where it's due FFS

Yes, nothing wrong with that way of playing, it was precisely what was needed in our situation. Lopetegui oversaw it and glad he did.
Different situation this season, at the moment, could well be back the same situation in a couple of months time.

 

[prawnking]

Yes, nothing wrong with that way of playing, it was precisely what was needed in our situation. Lopetegui oversaw it and glad he did.
Different situation this season, at the moment, could well be back the same situation in a couple of months time.

If our novice manager keeps playing naive football, certainly.

He's already got us joint bottom of the league

 

[Wolftone]

I'm finding the O'Neil versus Lopetegui TWF culture war as tedious as the Nuno versus Lage one. A criticism /observation of one isn't immediately an endorsement of the other and vice versa. They can be stand alone observations

Same here.
That was then, this is now.
Different situation.

 

[Wolftone]

If our novice manager keeps playing naive football, certainly.

He's already got us joint bottom of the league

Our 'novice, naive' manager, doesn't miss 'one on ones', stand 'ball watching' whilst his opposite number runs past him, palm the ball to an opposition player when he could have caught it, or get sent off through petulance.
That's our players.

 

[prawnking]

I'm finding the O'Neil versus Lopetegui TWF culture war as tedious as the Nuno versus Lage one. A criticism /observation of one isn't immediately an endorsement of the other and vice versa. They can be stand alone observations

Wolftone compared both approaches without context, I'd say it's fair game to pick up on that, and nothing to do with 'culture wars'?

 

[prawnking]

Our 'novice, naive' manager, doesn't miss 'one on ones', stand 'ball watching' whilst his opposite number runs past him, palm the ball to an opposition player when he could have caught it, or get sent off through petulance.
That's our players.

So no-one should have praised him after the good Man U performance? Or was that not our players that time?

 

[Wolftone]

So no-one should have praised him after the good Man U performance? Or was that not our players that time?

Yeah, I did.
Players, manager, you're only as good as your last game.
Onto the next one.

 

[prawnking]

You missed the point.

So he only has responsibility for the games where we do well, and if it goes to shit then it's the players?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So he only has responsibility for the games where we do well, and if it goes to shit then it's the players?

 

[AndyWolves]

Patterns of play are usually on the manager. Execution is usually on the players.

However there is clearly a nuance if the manager is asking the players to do something they aren't capable of.

 

[Wolftone]

You missed the point.

So he only has responsibility for the games where we do well, and if it goes to shit then it's the players?

No, you missed the point.
Any manager can set the team up how he likes, if the players don't perform, you lose.
See 5-0 and 0-6 last season.