Winter Improvement Thread (aka Winter Squad Weakening Thread and TWF Suicide Watch)

[Paddingtonwolf]

Thanks Paddy. I always thought that Thelwell was head of recruitment and development. If John Marshall is head of recruitment, who is in charge of recruitment?

Frankly, I really don't know. It is all a bit murky on that point.

 

[Derby Wolf]

See. This is where a question at the Fans Parliament could be used instead of Golbournes dodgy under garments. It's a real opportunity to see the finer workings of the club and transparency and we instead have questions which can't be answered by those present or are pointless.

 

[Lord Knows]

Even then it was only a slither more than three quarters full.

Three quarters full for the rest of the season would be one hell of an achievement from this point in time.

 

[thehistorymakers]

So today KJ has said we're struggling to sign a striker and that Bright will probably go out on loan [emoji106]��

Sorry Carrotdude, that is a misleading post. Look at what he said.


"I feel that somewhere along the line for them to get into first-team football is going to be very good. For Bright, yes, in an ideal world if we could be strong enough (up front) to get him out on loan I think he could handle the league and do well. It is an option we’re looking at".
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport...obakhare-has-learned-from-his-wolves-mistake/

 

[Lord Knows]

Sorry Carrotdude, that is a misleading post. Look what he said.


"I feel that somewhere along the line for them to get into first-team football is going to be very good. For Bright, yes, in an ideal world if we could be strong enough (up front) to get him out on loan I think he could handle the league and do well. It is an option we’re looking at".
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport...obakhare-has-learned-from-his-wolves-mistake/

This peace concerned me.

I’ve got no real preconceived ideas about where or what standard, but somewhere along the line yes a league loan would be very good for Bright.”

Shouldn't the coach have preconceived ideas about where or what standard

 

[Johnny75]

How does the recruitment work at other clubs with the DoF model? So Newcastle, WBA, Reading and so forth? I always assumed that the DoF shortlisted players and then the manager would have the final say, but I could be/am probably completely wrong. It seems here that we have Thelwell scouting one type of player and Jackett another, which is completely counter-productive if we're going to have a certain style of play: everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction (to use rubbish team building away day speak).

From my understanding, the head coach is told which players he has to work and the head coach has little say in the transfer.

In the harshest systems Penk is right. Some set ups have the manager's giving the DoF what he thinks he needs (LB, CH etc) and the DoF and CEO make sure they find a player to fit that bill and the head coach then works with what they have bought. Seems to work well in Spain, Holland and Germany.

 

[Lord Knows]

At Wolves Kenny Jackett has final say on all transfers. If he doesn't rate any potential signing Wolves dont sign them. This was a Jez Moxey reply at one of the fans parliaments.

 

[Langers]

Given that this season is a lame duck I can't see the point in major overhaul of the squad now - spend the rest of the season working out whether any of the recent purchases have got any future at the club and have a go in the summer when we have a new manager.

I'm of a similar mindset - sure, it'll piss off the supporters but I'd rather not see any major signings made when we're not going to get in the top 6, the market is over-inflated in January, we don't know where we are in terms of the club's future and we desperately need to revisit the recruitment structures and procedures.

We shouldn't be in any major relegation troubles and we'll no doubt need to bring in another striker and a CB but if that's just a loan deal, fine. Play some of the development squad towards the end of the season if - as expected - it's a damp squib with no prospects of going up or down.

A forgettable season and we need to work out where we're going - both on and off the pitch.

 

[Kenny]

This peace concerned me.

I’ve got no real preconceived ideas about where or what standard, but somewhere along the line yes a league loan would be very good for Bright.”

Shouldn't the coach have preconceived ideas about where or what standard

Isn't he basically saying he has an open mind on where he goes. Such as - It would be better if he went to York City if played every week than going to Burton to sit on the bench for 1-3 months.

 

[thehistorymakers]

This peace concerned me.

I’ve got no real preconceived ideas about where or what standard, but somewhere along the line yes a league loan would be very good for Bright.”

Shouldn't the coach have preconceived ideas about where or what standard

If you read what he said, in the paragraph before he said that, he was saying he wouldn't send a player out on loan to sit on the bench. They could do that at Molineux. He also stated that the location ( geography) wouldn't be a problem as it would help him grow up. So when Jackett said,"[
I’ve got no real preconceived ideas about where or what standard," I took it as the important thing is, if we did have enough forwards,(which we haven't) then it could be good for him to go out on loan. The location isn't important, but first team football is and would be good for him. You could try to make something about not having preconceived standards, or you could think it is something at the moment he isn't thinking about. As it's not going to happen till we are strong enough in that position.
So at the moment he is being polite in an interview and hinting we are not strong enough up front.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

There surely should be some thought into it though.

Surely you'd want to make sure he's going to a team that plays the right way to aid his development and has some sort of idea what level he thinks Bright is capable of playing?

 

[Johnny75]

There surely should be some thought into it though.

Surely you'd want to make sure he's going to a team that plays the right way to aid his development and has some sort of idea what level he thinks Bright is capable of playing?

I'm sure somebody has but it may not be Jackett.

 

[Lord Knows]

Isn't he basically saying he has an open mind on where he goes. Such as - It would be better if he went to York City if played every week than going to Burton to sit on the bench for 1-3 months.

I would hope that when any Wolves player goes out on loan there has been good dialogue between both coaches in how the player is expected to play.
In which system and in which role to determine if the clubs agree on a short term development plan.

Its pointless for example if Wallace goes to Millwall and plays wide right in a 4-4-2 if Kenny Jackett has a different system and role in mind for that player.

 

[thehistorymakers]

There surely should be some thought into it though.

Surely you'd want to make sure he's going to a team that plays the right way to aid his development and has some sort of idea what level he thinks Bright is capable of playing?

Maybe he is saying that he will think about it, when the time comes. We haven't got enough cover. When he has he will see what the options are.
Really Jacket is just saying the lad is doing fine for his age. He had problems last year, but has matured and is doing well now.

 

[Sniffer]

Danny Graham isn't rejoining us.

Blackburn complete Graham loan deal.Rovers are delighted to announce the signing of Sunderland striker Danny Graham.

 

[Lord Knows]

Danny Graham isn't rejoining us.

Blackburn complete Graham loan deal.Rovers are delighted to announce the signing of Sunderland striker Danny Graham.

I Will be watching his form closely looking to see if it was the way we used him or if he is in fact a dud signing.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'm sure somebody has but it may not be Jackett.

True.

Should be another strength of the whole DoF set up really, other people to look out for these longer term prospects while Jackett can concentrate solely on the first team. If he has no use for Bright, or any other youngster, in the first team then someone else could be responsible for finding an alternative place for them to continue their development, you wouldn't think it'd be particularly difficult to keep tabs on other sides playing in a similar fashion to what you aspire to and then picking the ones with a potential gap in the squad when you're looking to get a young player some experience.

I Will be watching his form closely looking to see if it was the way we used him or if he is in fact a dud signing.

He's looked a pup since leaving Swansea, don't think that one is a Wolves anomaly.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Given that this season is a lame duck I can't see the point in major overhaul of the squad now - spend the rest of the season working out whether any of the recent purchases have got any future at the club and have a go in the summer when we have a new manager.

I'd be happy with that, but it would depend if there was an overhaul in the summer. With the loss of parachute money I doubt there will be much money available to buy players if we are trying to break even.

 

[Lycan]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport...y-jackett-we-just-cant-strike-the-right-deal/

Cracking forward planning once again, Wolves.

Bravo.

After we failed to sign a striker at the start of last season Ken said that we'd been slow to react to Fulham skewing the market when they signed McCormack. We still haven't reacted.

 

[Kenny]

We are after a £2m striker that will cost £200k.

Going to be a long search is that.