Who do you want in goal?

[prawnking]

You know everything you say before 'but' doesn't matter.

Necessary caveat, Roy, necessary caveat

 

[Johnny75]

Necessary caveat, Roy, necessary caveat

Splinters in your arse more like.

 

[prawnking]

Splinters in your arse more like.

Not at all. It was a comment on equal treatment of players rather than a criticism of Rui particularly, so I didn't want it to be misconstrued and turned into an irrelevant squabble.

But thanks for doing that anyway!

 

[Johnny75]

Not at all. It was a comment on equal treatment of players rather than a criticism of Rui particularly, so I didn't want it to be misconstrued and turned into an irrelevant squabble.

But thanks for doing that anyway!

Mine was a quote from Game of Thrones, but I guess humour is lost on some.

 

[The Bear]

Everything before the word but is bullshit.

At least get the quote right!

 

[northfield wolf]

Rui, every time. All goalkeepers go through a confidence crisis from time to time ,but they bounce back. That save Rui made last night to tip it onto the bar was world class.

 

[prawnking]

Mine was a quote from Game of Thrones, but I guess humour is lost on some.

I refute that mate... Just never seen it!

 

[Mel Evo]

I have no problem with Rui, but why should he be exempt from the comments that Coady, Moutinho, Donk and Traore have had this season when their form has nose dived? The sale of the latter gets brought up after every game on here

I don't quite understand the question. No one should be exempt from fair criticism and I haven't suggested they should anywhere in the text. I don't happen to think that the sale of Traore should be brought up after every game either, if it does (?), but if it did why would that make it OK to say the same of Patricio? In that case two wrongs make a right, but I'm purely talking about the goalkeeper and I think those pretty bald comments stand. As an aside, it's a something of a conceit to equate another players slump in form with the form of Patricio. In my opinion that form has not 'nose dived', rather there has been a dent in it. That's a reasonable issue to raise, just as it's reasonable to respond that, on reflection, our goalkeeper is not a priority issue.

If you like though you can send him back to Europe. Make sure you apply the right tariff code.

 

[prawnking]

If you like though you can send him back to Europe. Make sure you apply the right tariff code.

Obviously the caveat didn't work anyway!

What I'm saying is pretty simple. Why wring your hands specifically over Rui when several of our experienced players have had some kind of inquiry into whether they should be in the team. Why aren't you amazed and saddened at people wanting a Coady replacement?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Rui does shout, like Kenny my position in the NB means I have heard it.

But I will say it is often a bit delayed/ he hesitates. This then means the defender is often already committed to the decision / in a position where they can’t (mid jump etc.) or don’t feel they can (striker is close) leave it and then it’s looks like miscommunication.

The other issue is as I said on the other thread. The ball comes over the top and he’s retreating checking his near post positioning rather than coming out and dealing with it, while Saiss/Boly or running back to their own goal begging Rui to take ownership of the situation.

So many times a balls been out over the top and the forward hasn’t even got the first touch on it till well inside the box. This clearly means Rui could have got there first with his hands and intercepted. Granted when that forward does have shot he saves it, but he could take the chance of a “worldy” out of it by stopping the shot in the first place.

 

[sycophantia]

I have no problem with Rui, but why should he be exempt from the comments that Coady, Moutinho, Donk and Traore have had this season when their form has nose dived? The sale of the latter gets brought up after every game on here

He's not exempt, he's had pelters on here for his mistakes this season but he does have a lot of credit in the bank so I think a lot of people think its just a temporary loss in form. Traore does get the most stick but he is most inconsistent player we have although when he's good, he's outstanding.
I suspect Podence is next in line for the 'treatment' as he's also hot and cold.

 

[Kenny]

So many times a balls been out over the top and the forward hasn’t even got the first touch on it till well inside the box. This clearly means Rui could have got there first with his hands and intercepted. Granted when that forward does have shot he saves it, but he could take the chance of a “worldy” out of it by stopping the shot in the first place.

Also so many times when that has happened he has come out and killed it dead by taking the ball towards the edge of the area. I would say he has a quick brain for working out a situation and won't take risks. If in his view racing out will cause more danger he will stay and deal with it in another manner. Doubt we will see a lot of him racing out of the area though, like Leno did last night

 

[prawnking]

He's not exempt, he's had pelters on here for his mistakes this season but he does have a lot of credit in the bank so I think a lot of people think its just a temporary loss in form. Traore does get the most stick but he is most inconsistent player we have although when he's good, he's outstanding.
I suspect Podence is next in line for the 'treatment' as he's also hot and cold.

We're not talking about criticism and pelters, we're talking about people considering a different GK, like they're considering a different CB for Coady, a different CM to Moutinho or a different forward to Adama. All those players have credit in the bank too.

I have no problem with any of that if people feel they can back it up. I might agree or disagree but it wouldn't 'amaze and sadden' me.

These are issues of football opinion (like with Nuno) that people want to guilt trip others about and make a moral issue out of.

 

[sycophantia]

It seems to me that most people have chosen between Rui and Pope and the result is Rui, plus most seem to want keep him for now, despite his loss of form recently.

 

[Kenny]

It seems to me that most people have chosen between Rui and Pope and the result is Rui, plus most seem to want keep him for now, despite his loss of form recently.

2 of his last 3 have been good performances for me. Certainly looked like his old self v Chelsea. Question marks on the goal at the weekend of course but he only takes part of the blame for that one

 

[PuntsWolf]

Also so many times when that has happened he has come out and killed it dead by taking the ball towards the edge of the area. I would say he has a quick brain for working out a situation and won't take risks. If in his view racing out will cause more danger he will stay and deal with it in another manner. Doubt we will see a lot of him racing out of the area though, like Leno did last night

Agreed. Obviously human nature (or just me) to remember more the times he did it wrong than the low key times he did it right.

 

[Stan Hullis]

Have you all finished your Cyber-pile on now? Disgusting.


Rui for me, fwiw.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Rui all day. I sit in the NB lower too and I've heard him shouting and in some cases dish out some bollockings. I saw him move Adama by the shoulders one game. He doesn't mess about in that regard.

I forget his name but that Portugese football journalist did an article on is Rui world class and said that where you have the bracket with Allison and Ederson, Rui is slightly below that but still world class in his own right. I'd go along with that in the Premier League.

I haven't seen much of Mendy but De Gea has regressed from that top tier in the last few years so I'd put them on a fairly even pegging now along with Lloris and they're collectively better than Leno and Schmeichel and Pickford without doubt.

 

[Kenny]

Agreed. Obviously human nature (or just me) to remember more the times he did it wrong than the low key times he did it right.

I'm the other way round on him. I think because when he arrived and my position in the Stadium I was fascinated by his movement and decision making. A lot of the time I miss the attacking play from the opponent as I would automatically look at what Rui was doing. So when he stays back I can see why he is doing it. Obviously doesn't get it right all the time, no player can but just love how his brain works on the pitch

I miss going to the Stadium, you see things differently than you do on TV. Your own decision on what you watch and not having to follow the camera

 

[PuntsWolf]

If we’re on about best keepers in the league, Schmeichel is massively underrated but Allison is the best in the league by a margin. He’s got everything. The sort of GK where I always think he’s favourite regardless of the situation and that shouldn’t be the case.