VAR - League Cup Final

[The Saturday Boy]

Two incidents in the game for me why VAR is going to cause huge problems next season unless there are some significant changes to the way games are officiated.

Aguero scores a goal which the assistant flags as offside, VAR have a look and confirm the decision to rule out the goal. The “goal” came about quickly with no time for the referee or players to react to the flag. Had the assitant’s decision been overturned the goal would have stood.

At the other end, a through ball for Hazard (who was also marginally offside) but some distance from goal puts him one on one with the keeper as soon as he touches the ball the assistant flags and the ref blows. Hazard has a great chance to score but is denied the opportunity so VAR doesn’t get involved.

The only fair way seems to be for assistants to only provide soft signals until the phase of play is completed.

Personally, I don’t like VAR and it definitely shouldn’t be rolled out until it can be used consistently.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The officials are instructed not to flag unless it's clear cut.

They don't know how to follow instructions properly and so you end up with situations like this.

Operator error rather than systemic failure. The standard of refereeing is diabolical.

 

[jdrodrigues]

The officials are instructed not to flag unless it's clear cut.

They don't know how to follow instructions properly and so you end up with situations like this.

Operator error rather than systemic failure. The standard of refereeing is diabolical.

This.

Happened a lot in Portuguese league last season, with bizarre moments such as this, but such occasions have dropped. The Portuguese league is a sham, anyway.

Like in everything in life, there is a learning curve. Instructions must be devised and then be followed.

 

[Derby Wolf]

I think VAR will be flawed anyway, I'm still dubious that Atwell, East, Coote, Martin etc al would make the right call even with replays from every which way.

Think it would be better if the VAR's are the best of the retired refs, Webb et al.

 

[jlo]

I think VAR will be flawed anyway, I'm still dubious that Atwell, East, Coote, Martin etc al would make the right call even with replays from every which way.

Think it would be better if the VAR's are the best of the retired refs, Webb et al.

Perhaps the solution is just get rid of referees and leave it all down to technology...

 

[jdrodrigues]

Perhaps the solution is just get rid of referees and leave it all down to technology...

Might happen eventually. Like a lot of society's structure

 

[Tony Towner]

Whether you blame the officials or the technology it ultimately amounts to the same things which is it's deeply flawed. Have a look at Real Madrid's second penalty last night for an example of it not fixing exactly the type of mistake it's supposed to.

 

[Johnny75]

VAR validated the officials decision. It worked.

The Real Madrid and Fiorentina decisions are down to human error not the technology. A shit referee is a shit referee no matter how much technology you give them.

Maybe the answer is to get better officials?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

VAR validated the officials decision. It worked.

The Real Madrid and Fiorentina decisions are down to human error not the technology. A shit referee is a shit referee no matter how much technology you give them.

Maybe the answer is to get better officials?

The issue for me remains clear and obvious. If Aguero had not been flagged would the goal have been allowed to stand? If those mega tight calls are now overturned by VAR the long held " benefit of doubt favours the attacker" is out of the window. Aguero was neither clear nor obvious. To me VAR is there for the howler. So I would have one review per half per team. If you use it spuriously then you've lost it. Goal line technology is already there. If VAR was available for our game against Bournemouth there were several calls that were worthy of review. Some form of umpires call on offsides would be a good start.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Is "benefit of doubt favours attacker" actually in the laws of the game?

 

[TheWrightStuff]

I absolutely cannot stand VAR and I am dreading it coming in to the league next season

Really hope they have a nightmare with it so it is scrapped, but cant see that happening sadly

 

[ndorsetwolf]

I remember that VARwasin use during our cup tie with Liverpool. On several occasions there were very tight offside decisions against us. My understanding is that the AR should only flag if clear cut, however on every occasion the AR chose to flag, thus denying several threatening situations.

I like the idea of VAR, but we do need to ensure that the officials at the match properly understand how to apply it, or we will have chaos.

 

[Johnny75]

Is "benefit of doubt favours attacker" actually in the laws of the game?

Nope. Offside is the easiest of all laws to get right as the technology is there to draw lines across a pitch.

TSB has a point in that the flag could be used as an advisory call if the referee allows play to go on (which is within their right to do so) and call it back at the end of that active phase.

Though VAR is contentious sometimes I'd rather have it than referees sending off the wrong man (Mariner/ Gibbs), giving penalties that aren't (Fraser the little cheating shit) or allowing goals that shouldn't be (Hernandez handball).

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Is "benefit of doubt favours attacker" actually in the laws of the game?

No its advice given when you do your referees course.

 

[playtheace]

All very very new and in defense of the officials, its very hard to not do something that they have been doing automatically for years.

 

[Trips]

Has the instruction to only flag if a clear offside been given to our officials? It was definitely in place during the World Cup, and in the CL this season, but doesn't seem to be in the FA Cup and EFL Cup. Are they deliberately not doing it or just incompetent?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The latter