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[nimrod]

I completely agree they have the right not to vote, but they should not give up their right by not registering. Subtle but important difference

based on your values, not theirs. and they have as much right to their lawful values as you have to yours without either side labelling the other a "disgrace" which you did on a blanket basis without any discernment of the different reasons that group may have for the choices they make, nevermind that its their choice to make. you're entitled to disagree with their choice, but you're not their judge.

a couple of months back when you complained about being labelled one thing or another i backed you up in the strongest terms. why do you think you labelling others should be any different?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

based on your values, not theirs. and they have as much right to their lawful values as you have to yours without either side labelling the other a "disgrace" which you did on a blanket basis without any discernment of the different reasons that group may have for the choices they make, nevermind that its their choice to make. you're entitled to disagree with their choice, but you're not their judge.

a couple of months back when you complained about being labelled one thing or another i backed you up in the strongest terms. why do you think you labelling others should be any different?

And I accept your point. My values base does mean I struggle to see why someone would not choose to register to vote even if they then don't vote.it was too hard a right to win. The fact I find it disgraceful in my values base does not label those who don't register a disgrace.Does that make sense?

 

[nimrod]

And I accept your point. My values base does mean I struggle to see why someone would not choose to register to vote even if they then don't vote.it was too hard a right to win

well we all have similar sorts of struggles about many things so you're not alone there. sometimes we vent against the wrong things too

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think the events of the last 18 months expose the folly of the "I don't care about politics" mantra that you hear so often, if you can't see now that it affects us all then there really is no hope.

The state of political education and awareness in this country is woeful. Can't imagine it's any better in the US.

 

[Lord Knows]

I think the events of the last 18 months expose the folly of the "I don't care about politics" mantra that you hear so often, if you can't see now that it affects us all then there really is no hope.

The state of political education and awareness in this country is woeful. Can't imagine it's any better in the US.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I think the events of the last 18 months expose the folly of the "I don't care about politics" mantra that you hear so often, if you can't see now that it affects us all then there really is no hope.

The state of political education and awareness in this country is woeful. Can't imagine it's any better in the US.

My point in a nutshell but made far more eloquently than I managed

 

[nimrod]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

imagine what he'd have thought of the internet

 

[Boozad]

I think the events of the last 18 months expose the folly of the "I don't care about politics" mantra that you hear so often, if you can't see now that it affects us all then there really is no hope.

The state of political education and awareness in this country is woeful. Can't imagine it's any better in the US.

From where I'm standing (and have stood over the last 30 years or so) politics is akin to cricket or Eastenders in some people's eyes, you're either interested or you're not. Of course we should all take an interest, it shapes our lives, but let's face it we're never going to get a 100% turnout or anywhere near those levels as there will always be people who have no interest in politics. There are hundreds of thousands of people who will be blissfully unaware how Brexit is fucking them over right now as we type. And I can't see that changing.

On the flipside, what about people who are politically aware but feel they have nowhere to turn? You've admittedly argued with yourself in recent years over where to cast your vote, I've done exactly the same. Protest votes are not worth the ink they're written in any more as far as I can see as you'll still end up with something you don't want. I don't necessarily agree with not exercising your right to vote either, but as I'm getting older I think I'm starting to understand why some people don't bother to even start to try to comprehend politics and how it affects them. I've had many a politician telling me they're 'going to give us a brighter future' over the years only for them to fuck us over instead one way or another, it just becomes another of life's grinds.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

On the flipside, what about people who are politically aware but feel they have nowhere to turn? You've admittedly argued with yourself in recent years over where to cast your vote, I've done exactly the same. Protest votes are not worth the ink they're written in any more as far as I can see as you'll still end up with something you don't want. I don't necessarily agree with not exercising your right to vote either, but as I'm getting older I think I'm starting to understand why some people don't bother to even start to try to comprehend politics and how it affects them. I've had many a politician telling me they're 'going to give us a brighter future' over the years only for them to fuck us over instead one way or another, it just becomes another of life's grinds.

It's a fair point, I'm effectively disenfranchised where I live now because of our dreadful voting system. But politics isn't just about making an effort to vote or which way you choose to go every five years - it's about engaging yourself, recognising where the Government or individuals within government are letting people down, proposing solutions, discussing matters with people who don't necessarily agree with you so you don't get caught in an echo chamber of all the same views, continually educating yourself. I hope no-one on here would be so gauche as to suggest my views are null and void on UK politics until 2020 and on Brexit forever because of the way I voted It's an ongoing thing, politics happens every day, not just when there's an election. It's that kind of approach which leads us to politicians promising the moon on a stick and not delivering, because everyone will have forgotten that they didn't bother doing anything by the next time an election rolls around.

 

[Boozad]

It's an ongoing thing, politics happens every day, not just when there's an election.

Of course, you won't get any arguments from me on that one mate. Trouble is it's stuck in a continual downward spiral. Our local MP has been brilliant for the last God-knows-how-many years so my vote for him has been a shoe-in, but the bigger picture is a much more disturbing story. The country is becoming more fucked every year and it seems like we're expected to put up with the less shitty option every time. The fact that the shittest option has been running the show for the last term and a bit is by the by but you get what I mean.

It's that kind of approach which leads us to politicians promising the moon on a stick and not delivering, because everyone will have forgotten that they didn't bother doing anything by the next time an election rolls around.

That's all I see these days, 'Oh, you know that XXXX we promised you, well we're not going to give you that and we're going to ram this massive cactus up your hoop while we're not giving it you'. It does get tiresome to be honest.

 

[So Long Architect]

At least it's now legal to buy and sell marijuana in various states in the US, so they are at least getting something right.

 

[Jinky]

Just seen this. So you think it's possible to build a wall along the exact border between Mexico and America, along sheer cliff faces, do you?

He isn't going to "build a wall". Although I appreciate your picture got a few laughs, so well done.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Just seen this. So you think it's possible to build a wall along the exact border between Mexico and America, along sheer cliff faces, do you?

He isn't going to "build a wall". Although I appreciate your picture got a few laughs, so well done.

:icon_razz: :2xGay: :facepalm:

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Oh dear oh dear. I think Mark wins that particular round.

 

[Boozad]

:icon_lol:

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Just seen this. So you think it's possible to build a wall along the exact border between Mexico and America, along sheer cliff faces, do you?

He isn't going to "build a wall". Although I appreciate your picture got a few laughs, so well done.

You don't think the picture is proof enough? Or do you think construction methods have gone backwards to the point that we can no longer do something that someone else managed several hundred years ago?

 

[Jinky]

You don't think the picture is proof enough? Or do you think construction methods have gone backwards to the point that we can no longer do something that someone else managed several hundred years ago?

I heard some 'experts' chatting about it on Radio 5 Live on Wednesday, and they were adamant it wasn't possible.

The initial point I made was more that the entire run up to the election day was Trump spouting a lot of stuff which he will inevitably end up going back on now that he is in power. "Building a wall" will be one of them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He won't build a wall. No more than D-Cam could be trusted with the NHS.

He will however embark on a policy of castigating Hispanics wherever possible, because like all demagogues he knows that scapegoating works with a large section of society.

 

[Tom Hark]

Maybe a series of pyramids, then ...

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I have 20 acres in Texas close to the border so am hoping for an oil strike or trump compulsory purchase


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