The Rugby Thread

[Tredman]

 

[Parkins left foot]

Mike Brown is in the clear for his rucking and accidental kicking of Connor Murray, so is available to play against Wales.

Not sure that you/they can call that accidental

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Whether you can or cannot, it was viewed as not citeable, and that is all that really counts. Brown is free to play.

 

[Dinowolf]

Not sure that you/they can call that accidental

Why's that then?

 

[Lord Knows]

Forgot to say that I thought all three full debutantes had good games.
Itoje for England and McCloskey and Van de Flyer for Ireland.

Agree, you can see all three having long illustrious careers. Bodes well for future Lions sides. McCloskey another in the long line of Irish centres who can make a yard out of nothing.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Centre is one position any future Lions party is going to have an embarrassment of riches assuming there are no injuries.

 

[Lord Knows]

Centre is one position any future Lions party is going to have an embarrassment of riches assuming there are no injuries.

Whats Elliot Daly like, I dont watch much club Rugby?

 

[Dinowolf]

Quick, clever and a good attacker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSFCI4DjCYw

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Highly unlikely to get in a lions squad just yet. However, he has a year to keep on developing and we shall see where he is when selection comes round.

I would imagine the Lions would be Roberts and Davies, Joseph and Tuilagi (if fit) with Farrell taken as fly-half / centre and some of the Irish boys in the party as well. Barritt could also make a case for inclusion.

 

[Nando]

Don't forget Henry Slade either.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Good point - Slade is a good player for sure.

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...erts-call-for-ban-on-tackling-in-school-rugby

 

[FrankMunro-371]

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...erts-call-for-ban-on-tackling-in-school-rugby

Rugby is a contact sport, and tackling is an important part of the game. At what age do the experts think that tackling should be allowed?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They play full contact at five in New Zealand and South Africa. Just saying.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Exactly.

 

[Johnny75]

Rugby is a contact sport, and tackling is an important part of the game. At what age do the experts think that tackling should be allowed?

Many of the 'experts' on that list are nothing of the sort. Doctors of sociology, psychology and other social sciences. Very little actual science going on in that list and certainly very little biomechanical or neurological science.

Experts in this area are widely thought to value correct coaching and injury protocols over nanny-state over protection. Indeed if you do not allow children to tackle (correctly) before they take up full contact they actually increase the chance of injury when playing the game as an adult as the body is not used to the contact. There is also the argument for wearing protective padding (helmets, body armour) which has also created conjecture.

Essentially this is not an argument about making the game safer this is an argument about reducing participation numbers in rugby across the board and eventually killing the game. For that this list of individuals can fuck right off.

 

[leedswolf]

Indeed Johnny. In a controlled coaching environment there shouldn't be any issues. We have had similar conversations regarding other sports and also the workplace.

I know that in junior RL the emphasis on the younger players is more on ball skills and no contact (touch rugby I suppose) and then the contact element is taught as they become older. I'm no expert, but there is probably more danger in set scrums than a well executed tackle.

 

[Dinowolf]

The front row are the ones that face 'danger' from the initial impact, which has been lessened recently by the 'touch, bind, set' process, and the twisting of the neck while pushing and being pushed by man-mountains behind you.

Other injuries are usually caused by tackles at the breakdown and rucks where most contact occurs. All the players at senior level are aware, and junior players are taught at different stages as contact is gradually introduced over time.

My 16yr old grandson faces full contact, but my 9yr old grandson faces tackles but doesn't face scrums nor rucks, while his 7yr old friend doesn't face tackles as they play 'tag' rugby.

Every physical game has an element of risk associated with it, both physical and mental, but rugby, I feel, teaches the most about teamwork, character building and how to expend your energy in a positive way.
That's why the game of rugby is identified with players that are usually calm and collected off the pitch and fans that are reasonable and fair in their outlook, even to the opposition.

 

[So Long Architect]

I'd have thought age and size grading were more important than getting rid of contact. When I played rugby at school it was just enormous lads bulldozing the smaller ones. Those who tried to tackle them often got hurt, while the rest of us just let them go on their way and learnt nothing but how to avoid rugby. That might have changed now, of course.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

I'd have thought age and size grading were more important than getting rid of contact. When I played rugby at school it was just enormous lads bulldozing the smaller ones. Those who tried to tackle them often got hurt, while the rest of us just let them go on their way and learnt nothing but how to avoid rugby. That might have changed now, of course.

It hasnt unfortunately, however in New Zealand they do put grade teams on height and weight rather then age, (some of this is due to necessity, as the average polynesia 12 year olds are already built like brick shithouses) and they are not too bad at the game, so might be something in it.