The Nic Cruwys Six

[Lupo]

http://mobile.wolves.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/statement-nic-cruwys-sentencing-3298257.aspx

 

[Lupo]

Connor Pearson, 16, was given 12 months detention and an eight year football banning order (FBO) after admitting grievous bodily harm.
Joe Wood, 15, was handed a four years and eight month sentence and a 10 year FBO after admitting grievous bodily harm with intent.
Joseph Lister, 19, of of Palmer Close, Wednesfield, who was given. 30 months detention after admitting grievous bodily harm.
Ryan Meer, 19, of Watling Street, Gailey, pleaded guilty to affray and was given an eight months suspended sentence and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work. He was given a four year FBO.
Robert Beech, also 19 and of Springhill Road, Wednesfield, was given two months detention, suspended for 12 months, after admitting threatening behaviour.
Daniel Lloyd, 19, of Longfellow Road, Sedgley, had admitted grievous bodily harm but the case against him was adjourned as he had no legal representation.

Piffling pathetic sentences for what was in effect attempted murder

 

[Black Mountain Wolf *47*]

So the youngest of this group of scumbags, who put his hands up first, has got by far the longest sentence.
Thanks Wolves for imposing a lifetime ban.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

That is because GBH with intent is the most serious crime of those for which the group were charged.

 

[visage]

They should all have got a lifetime FBO, not just from WWFC.

And I agree with Lupo that those sentences seem *very* lenient.

 

[Black Mountain Wolf *47*]

Not quite, Paddy - some of the others were charged with GBH with intent, but pleaded guilty to the lesser offence and were tried for that. CPS presumably thought there was not enough evidence to convict for intent.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Okay - swap out the word charged for convicted. It's just semantics on the point.

 

[Black Mountain Wolf *47*]

I'm sure all agree with Lupo and Visage - we would have liked to have seen much tougher sentences, along with life bans from all football.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Absolutely. I can see no excuse why there are no life bans in this. I would expect Wolves to ban them for life from Molineux anyway, if that hasn't already occurred.

As to the actual terms of detention - very lenient indeed. Surprisingly so.

 

[Kenny]

Does pleading guilty help with the length of the sentence?

Wolves have banned them for life.

 

[darlowolf64]

Absolutely. I can see no excuse why there are no life bans in this. I would expect Wolves to ban them for life from Molineux anyway, if that hasn't already occurred.

As to the actual terms of detention - very lenient indeed. Surprisingly so.

"With the legal process almost complete, Wolves can today confirm that all six individuals are banned from Molineux for life following their involvement in the attack."
Read more at http://www.wolves.co.uk/news/articl...s-sentencing-3298257.aspx#7QMoExBguupYof6t.99

 

[Black Mountain Wolf *47*]

It does seem rather strange that a group of people can chase a man up a street, can knock him to the ground and then punch and kick him until he is almost dead, but claim they didn't intend to do it.

 

[darlowolf64]

Was it ever established that they were at the match or were they just a group of tossers hanging around looking for an easy target?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Don't know to be honest Mike. We have some "hangers on" outside the ground at times who have no interest in the game.

Regarding intent. The intent relates to the GBH side of things. If you punch someone in the back (say) then, are you intending GBH? Hard to say, grey area (probably intent could be proved for a lesser charge).

If you stamp on the head of an unconscious man on the floor, then you are being so reckless as to the result of your actions (any reasonable person could foresee that GBH is an extremely likely outcome) that intent can be implied at law.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Don't know how these sentances compare with the maximum for the offence, but at least these scroats were identified, arrested & charged which I am sure doesn't always happen

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

GBH without intent - maximum of 5 years (I think)
GBH with intent - in theory anything up to life.

 

[owdill]

GBH without intent - maximum of 5 years (I think)
GBH with intent - in theory anything up to life.

Yep your right Paddy GBH with intent section 18 wounding carries life never seen anyone actually get it though

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Nor me - frankly I would imagine that the assault would have to be so serious to get a court thinking that way in sentencing that you might as well go with attempted murder as the intent to commit GBH is enough to cover intent to commit murder.

 

[owdill]

I think with something like this CPS would probably go for the sec 18 easier to prove than attempt murder also with a number of offenders probably looking for the main ones to throw themselves on their sword. There would have been plea bargains invoved too

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Agreed - my point is that the assault in a theoretical case would have to be so bad to get a court thinking about the full sentencing powers of section 18, then you might as well just go for attempted murder, as the intent to commit murder is "an intention to kill or to cause grievous bodily harm". Just theorising as to why the top end of section 18 sentencing doesn't seem to be used often, rather than making comment on this particular case in isolation.