The Live Match Discussion Thread: 2019/2020

[jd1981]

Dyche is such a massive, massive liar :icon_lol:

A complete baby whenever anything goes against his team (just watch him on the touchline next season at Molineux as sadly we'll have to play them again) but something clearly wrong goes in his favour and he's fine with it.

Ok Sean, I hope we have four instances of Burnley scoring against us in a few weeks, they all come off Ashley Barnes' shoulder, they all get disallowed and we'll win 1-0. Presumably you'll give that the thumbs up.

Really don’t like him a lot of managers are hypocritical but he is the biggest culprit. He’s had a campaign against diving but stays quiet when his own players do it.

 

[jd1981]

I think it looks like a pen as he does stick his arm out (he's a dreadful defender and pulls this kind of crap all the time). Possibly a bit harsh but I can see why it was given, in fact you might have expected it to be given in real time because he has given the ref a decision to make.

Anyway I think they still owe the world about another 50 iffy penalties before they're back in balance over the last five years or so, balls to Bournemouth. Horrible team and if they're on the wrong side of it for now then it's about time. Howe is getting found out for exactly what he is.

Just don’t think it’s enough to overturn it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This is the process though isn't it.

It was part of the move that contributed to Bournemouth scoring (play didn't stop before they stuck it away). So by this season's standards...look at a couple of ours...handball.

And once you give that, it has to be handball and a penalty. You've given the foul. It's their own fault for their ridiculous double standards on the same offence.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It looked handball live, and the replays (to my eyes) show it clearly hitting the badge on the sleeve. If you want specifics then I think it hits a least a third of the way down his humerus, so nowhere near his arm and shoulder joint (about the same position it hit Boly at Leicester, but obviously the circumstances are completely different). Whereas Billings at best hits him on the angle, and the images they showed on MOTD were blurry so no way You can make that call.

 

[jd1981]

This is the process though isn't it.

It was part of the move that contributed to Bournemouth scoring (play didn't stop before they stuck it away). So by this season's standards...look at a couple of ours...handball.

And once you give that, it has to be handball and a penalty. You've given the foul. It's their own fault for their ridiculous double standards on the same offence.

But look at Liverpool opening goal against city at Anfield ball clearly hits a Liverpool hand in the build up to the goal in the area so in theory it should have been pulled back to?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But look at Liverpool opening goal against city at Anfield ball clearly hits a Liverpool hand in the build up to the goal in the area so in theory it should have been pulled back to?

Yep and van Dijk against us at Anfield is just as much of a handball.

But then we know there isn't consistency even though there should be. Just saying that that's the chain of events here. Quite possibly had Bournemouth hoofed it out for a throw then they wouldn't have overturned it. As it led to a goal they decide they have no alternative (it's more of a handball than the first one, by whatever margin) and once you've taken that step it has to be a pen.

We live in strange times.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But they viewed that and decided it wasn't a penalty and therefore all is good.

This is the mess PGMOL have created.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yep and van Dijk against us at Anfield is just as much of a handball.

But then we know there isn't consistency even though there should be. Just saying that that's the chain of events here. Quite possibly had Bournemouth hoofed it out for a throw then they wouldn't have overturned it. As it led to a goal they decide they have no alternative (it's more of a handball than the first one, by whatever margin) and once you've taken that step it has to be a pen.

We live in strange times.

And this goes back to the nonsense idea I put out a month ago where there is a handball in your own area that drops to the same player who hoofs it and then the forward is in to score, making a direct assist. Managers would be telling the forward to miss to avoid a penalty at the other end. I love VAR.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not the one drilled at him in the box. The one where it hits him near the upper arm/shoulder and then he pings it forward to Lallana, and they score.

Edit: Sorry mate, cross posting. Yes, you're right.

 

[jd1981]

On a side note Villa looked shocking again, Dean Smith looks lost I think.
They’re biggest one man team I’ve ever seen, rapidly running out of winnable games also.
Think we were saying a few weeks back that you might need close to 40 points to stay up this year.
Pretty sure now if you hit 37 points you’ll be fine.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Their next few games look nice.

Man City (N)
Leicester (A)
Chelsea (H)
Newcastle (A)
Wolves (H)
Liverpool (A)
Man Utd (H)

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Such a shame.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I've no massive ill-will towards them, I have some good friends who are Villa fans. Although they did have a section who were being very gleeful at them being 15th or something and us being 17th after like four games...

They're in trouble as their recruitment was awful in the summer, so much money spent on so little.

It's a six way fight now for two spots.

Brighton
Newcastle
Bournemouth
Villa
West Ham
Watford

Forget Norwich.

You'd think Newcastle would have enough on 31 with so many games left but they currently couldn't beat an egg and we all know about our mate Stepha.

 

[jd1981]

Their next few games look nice.

Man City (N)
Leicester (A)
Chelsea (H)
Newcastle (A)
Wolves (H)
Liverpool (A)
Man Utd (H)

Plus they’re not playing PL next week and could well be in the bottom 3 the next league game they play. Huge pressure now But still have a gut feeling they’ll stay up just.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It's going to be fascinating to see those teams circling the plug hole and three will drop. I think West Ham are in awful trouble but I want Bournemouth and Villa to go.

 

[jd1981]

Yep West Ham look shot and to many players who rock up when they want. Moyes wasn’t the answer just a case of he worked last time so it’s bound to work again very lazy and short sighted.
Brighton are just a bit prettier than last season but same problems persist. Do think they’ve got a bit more resilience than the others.
Brucey ideas and philosophy may be falling on deaf ears earlier than usual normaly happens after a couple of seasons.
Pound for pound Watford have the best squad down so in theory should climb out of trouble.
Expect Villa to be in must win mode when they play ourselves and we could be at a stage of prioritising the Europa league.

 

[Derby Wolf]

Think Bournemouth are in danger of a Mick scenario.

They could stay up this season by default of three shitter teams but there are massive fault lines and think there's a huge decision to make on Eddie Frauds future.
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[jd1981]

Think Bournemouth are in danger of a Mick scenario.

They could stay up this season by default of three shitter teams but there are massive fault lines and think there's a huge decision to make on Eddie Frauds future.
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They won’t tho they’ll stick by him, but forward thinking would suggest they need fresh ideas if they’re going to survive at this level.
Some West Ham fans and journos also just seem to think will win enough games when fixtures get easier. Very delusional and similar attitude when they’ve been relegated before reality only hits home when it’s imminent.

 

[The Bear]

West Ham and Villa to go down please. West Ham deserve it for their awful owners and Villa deserve it purely because they'll be in all sorts of financial shite (same with WH too).

 

[James]

1-0 Everton at Arsenal. Calvert Lewin with an overhead kick.