The Live Match Discussion Thread: 2019/2020

[AndyWolves]

Not controversial - we all seem to be on the same page!

Ah right, most of what I've read (probably elsewhere) said it wasn't handball

 

[AndyWolves]

The media outcry on this one is because it has gone against West Ham. Its de riguer in sports media circles to have several West Ham fans as journos.

I would personally be a lot happier if the hand ball rule returned to where it was. I would rather see teams get away with a bit of luck like Boly against City than multiple goals chalked off and inconsistency between how you rule an offence dependent on whether you are attacking or defending. It's a mess.

I said right at the start of the season, what do you do if an attacker bollocks a cross which accidentally hits a defender on the arm in his penalty area and drops to his feet allowing him to smash the ball clear upfield where the forward latches on to the clearance and scores, which makes the defender a direct assister of the goal? Is it then handball as he is considered an attacker and therefore a penalty given?

Mike Dean dreams of this scenario so he can award a very dramatic penalty

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I said right at the start of the season, what do you do if an attacker bollocks a cross which accidentally hits a defender on the arm in his penalty area and drops to his feet allowing him to smash the ball clear upfield where the forward latches on to the clearance and scores, which makes the defender a direct assister of the goal? Is it then handball as he is considered an attacker and therefore a penalty given?

Further to this, you also have the bizarre situation that if the attacker shoots and the ball is going in, the goalkeeper in this situation can a) palm the shot around the post and the attacking side get a corner as there is no direct assist and so accidental handball by the defender comes into play or b) deliberately let the shot in and his side gets a penalty at the other end as the handball has now become a direct assist.

The rule is bonkers and ill-thought through.

 

[Lupo]

Gray even suggesting that they could look at that goal AFTER the game, rescind the decision and award the draw to West Ham. His reasoning being they can rescind red and yellow cards so why not results? Jesus could you imagine such a scenario??

They are talking as if it wasn't a handball, it clearly was! Gray is questioning people calling it a handball and using the old 'anyone who has played the game'. Gray seems to be getting confused with the words 'handball' and 'intentional'. May not have been intentional but it was a bloody handball!

 

[Tredman]

Mickey Gray in being stupid shocker.

 

[Tom Hark]

. . . His reasoning being they can rescind red and yellow cards so why not results? Jesus could you imagine such a scenario?? . . .

They do it in F1. I wouldn't rule out anything, the way things are going at the moment.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Further to this, you also have the bizarre situation that if the attacker shoots and the ball is going in, the goalkeeper in this situation can a) palm the shot around the post and the attacking side get a corner as there is no direct assist and so accidental handball by the defender comes into play or b) deliberately let the shot in and his side gets a penalty at the other end as the handball has now become a direct assist.

The rule is bonkers and ill-thought through.

I don’t think “direct assist” is actually the rule. It’s something like “handball involved in build up to a goal”. Now your point is right, where do you draw that line. But if Snodgrass gives that back to Rice and he sticks it in it will still he disallowed.

 

[Sniffer]

The media outcry on this one is because it has gone against West Ham. Its de riguer in sports media circles to have several West Ham fans as journos.

I would personally be a lot happier if the hand ball rule returned to where it was. I would rather see teams get away with a bit of luck like Boly against City than multiple goals chalked off and inconsistency between how you rule an offence dependent on whether you are attacking or defending. It's a mess.

I said right at the start of the season, what do you do if an attacker bollocks a cross which accidentally hits a defender on the arm in his penalty area and drops to his feet allowing him to smash the ball clear upfield where the forward latches on to the clearance and scores, which makes the defender a direct assister of the goal? Is it then handball as he is considered an attacker and therefore a penalty given?

Liverpool's first against City earlier in the season was similar. Handball by TAA, city go mad, cleared up field and they score.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It wasn’t a direct assist though so TAA is considered a defender in that situation and things like natural arm position all come into play. If TAA cleared the ball directly to say Mo Salah and he went on a run and bollocked it in the top corner then that is an assist for TAA and as the rules are currently written it should be handball in the same way as Boly was penalised when Dendoncker scored at Leicester. Except it would have been a penalty to Man City and Anfield would have exploded.

I can see this scenario playing out and it causing a massive stink.

 

[The Bear]

Would it be a foul and penalty though? The rules state that handball has to be deliberate don't they? And they only rule goals out for accidental handball. So they'd rule the goal put, but because it was accidental it's not a penalty.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well how and where would you restart play?

 

[Derby Wolf]

Gray even suggesting that they could look at that goal AFTER the game, rescind the decision and award the draw to West Ham. His reasoning being they can rescind red and yellow cards so why not results? Jesus could you imagine such a scenario??

They are talking as if it wasn't a handball, it clearly was! Gray is questioning people calling it a handball and using the old 'anyone who has played the game'. Gray seems to be getting confused with the words 'handball' and 'intentional'. May not have been intentional but it was a bloody handball!

Could you imagine after the Sheff Utd/West Ham/Tevez shitshow the FA docking two points and awarding them to West Ham.

I kinda wanna see it :icon_lol:

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Would it be a foul and penalty though? The rules state that handball has to be deliberate don't they? And they only rule goals out for accidental handball. So they'd rule the goal put, but because it was accidental it's not a penalty.

As the rules are written, accidental is irrelevant if it is an assist. So it's a penalty.

Shit rules, innit?

 

[James]

Bit of overkill from South Wales police making all Swansea fans get coaches from the Liberty (with a few exemption tickets) as well as using facial recognition technology.

Paddy thoughts

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It is a nasty rivalry but facial recognition tech is massively OTT.

We have been subject of bubble matches at Cardiff in the past.

 

[White Wolf]

What a boring derby game.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Pearson has turned Watford round completely.

I really, REALLY hope Bournemouth go down.

 

[James]

They probably are 1-0 watford.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Norwich Villa Bournemouth would be a nice final bottom three.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Torino v Bologna on freesports at the moment. I am enjoying keeping an eye on Torino now. Thought they were an excellent side in the Europa playoff against us.